Members swandiver Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 How did we miss this announcement?! It sounds like this is the next successor to the K series! http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/NewsStory.php?id=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't get too excited now. AFAIK, it's a PC3 w/128mb of flash RAM. IMO they should have called it the PC3+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Keyrick Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Not missed! http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2508396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't get too excited now. AFAIK, it's a PC3 w/128mb of flash RAM. IMO they should have called it the PC3+. Minus the 2nd ROM expansion. The PC3 series has space for 2 ROM expansions. The PC3K uses the 2nd ROM expansion space to support sample playback (not full sampling). The PC3K was specifically designed for live musical support, which is why the 128 MB of Sample RAM for playback of sounds was important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tonyrobbins Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 NOt full sampling???? soo its not the next flagship ? from the big K??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tonyrobbins Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 they said that it was ready for imediate realese .if that thing sounds better than a Vsl MIR i m getting one.or sounds better at least 40% better than the PC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tomkeen Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 they said that it was ready for imediate realese .if that thing sounds better than a Vsl MIR i m getting one.or sounds better at least 40% better than the PC3 LOL. It sounds exactly like a PC3. Because it's the same, with sampling. And wooden side panels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analogholic Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't get too excited now. AFAIK, it's a PC3 w/128mb of flash RAM. IMO they should have called it the PC3+. Well, the reason they called it PC3K is that it loads programs and samples from the K-series...so it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tonyrobbins Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 btw 128 of sampling????!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is soo soo 128 megs of ram LOL. It sounds exactly like a PC3. Because it's the same, with sampling. And wooden side panels... you are soo right:facepalm::cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 ... it loads programs and samples from the K-series...so it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 they said that it was ready for imediate realese .if that thing sounds better than a Vsl MIR i m getting one.or sounds better at least 40% better than the PC3 Oh, at least 40% better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 For those interested, here is a thread where you can find out all of the details (plus and minuses) of the new PC3K:http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?/topic/44923-pc3k-announcement/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well, the reason they called it PC3K is that it loads programs and samples from the K-series...so it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mate_stubb Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Forgot to mention the backward compatibility with K2K stuff. Though I gotta ask, how relevant ARE those nearly 20 (K2K circa 1991 AFAIK) year old samples today? It's a nice perk, but does anyone REALLY care? ALL the broadway shows use banks of K2s in the orchestra pit. They have very specialized needs for loading sound effects, and this update is partially aimed at letting them upgrade their old instruments. The ability to preload a bunch of custom sounds and access them with no load time is very valuable for that group of users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members asynchro_nous Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Forgot to mention the backward compatibility with K2K stuff. Though I gotta ask, how relevant ARE those nearly 20 (K2K circa 1991 AFAIK) year old samples today? It's a nice perk, but does anyone REALLY care? I hear this all the time and can't help but wonder: what happens to all of these old samples? Do they get too dry and moldy to use or what? Like brittle, or too "leathery" maybe? I guess old samples don't take to being reprogrammed and played as well as the new ones. Seriously, what does a "fresh" sample sound like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megakazbek Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 Don't get too excited now. AFAIK, it's a PC3 w/128mb of flash RAM. IMO they should have called it the PC3+. Does it really matter whether it's "+" or "K"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted December 29, 2009 Members Share Posted December 29, 2009 I hear this all the time and can't help but wonder: what happens to all of these old samples? Do they get too dry and moldy to use or what? Like brittle, or too "leathery" maybe? I guess old samples don't take to being reprogrammed and played as well as the new ones. Seriously, what does a "fresh" sample sound like? Samples done right the first time, don't need to be refreshed. They also don't need to be very large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TechEverlasting Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 "Samples done right the first time, don't need to be refreshed. They also don't need to be very large" Well said. I started out creating instruments on instruments like the Akai S-900 and Emulator EII. There used to be quite a craft in making efficient use of memory and coming up with decent loops. While I appreciate the amazing things companies like Samplemodelling and Synthogy (Ivory) do with huge sample banks, much of what is out there currently is just bloat-ware; hundreds and hundreds of poorly matched, untuned samples with dead air in the front. (What does it matter if your DAW has "low latency" if the creators of your sample library were too lazy to trim off the silence at the beginning of the samples?) I have to laugh when I read advertisements boasting about "massive 20 GIGs libraries", as if the size of the library had anything to do with the quality and useability of the samples. The combination of the PC3's excellent ROM samples and synthesis capabilities and 128 MEG of non-volatile K2600 compatible sample memory means that these machines will be able to do almost anything in skilled hands. I can't wait to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NuSkoolTone Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 ALL the broadway shows use banks of K2s in the orchestra pit. They have very specialized needs for loading sound effects, and this update is partially aimed at letting them upgrade their old instruments.The ability to preload a bunch of custom sounds and access them with no load time is very valuable for that group of users. I read that too. Sure that's noteworthy, but how many users does this equate to? A couple hundred at best maybe? I'm just thinkin more in terms of the average musician investing in "new" gear. But hey it's cool for that group and guys who can't let go of the K2K sound that still have them. I just don't see the value for users new to the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cygnus64 Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 ALL the broadway shows use banks of K2s in the orchestra pit. They have very specialized needs for loading sound effects, and this update is partially aimed at letting them upgrade their old instruments. A few Broadway shows use K2s. Phantom does, Beauty and the Beast does. Light in the Piazza uses Roland. Dirty Rotten Scroundrels uses Notion notation software. Several use PT rigs and softsynths. Parade used a Roland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 Cygnus, I stumbled onto the television program "Glee" the other day, and noticed that the head of the high school drama department is...you guessed it..."Mr Ryerson." Same actor, noticably older and decidedly gay-er. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Made me ROFL. Thought you should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TechEverlasting Posted December 30, 2009 Members Share Posted December 30, 2009 These days I find it's the regional theaters that all use K2s. Back in the late 1990's/early 2000s I think it could have been said that just about all the Broadway pits were using some form of Kurzweil K2. These days you'll find custom computers running Brainspawn Forte + Kontakt (Shrek), Receptors(In the Heights) and various combinations of Roland and Yamaha digital pianos and workstations, often interfaced with K2600Rs. I think "A Tale of two Cities" used Receptors controlled by Kurzweil K2600X keyboards. One of the reasons the Kurzweils lost their standing on Broadway was the problems with the Fatar TP-10M keybeds. A lot of producers got fed up with the constant cracked counterweights and velocity problems on the K2600Xs. I hear the keybeds on the PC3Xs don't have these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kc keys Posted December 28, 2010 Members Share Posted December 28, 2010 I bought a PC3 but returned it. I had two bad keys in the bed. almost couldn't push them down. and 2 nxt to them felt sluggish. What do you all think of the PC3 sound vs a K2500?I wasn't impressed. I love my K2500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted December 28, 2010 Members Share Posted December 28, 2010 PC3 has more processing power than any K-series synth, both with regards to VAST and KDFX (which is twice the power of Kurzweil KSP8, and neither K2500 nor K2600 had this kind of power). It sounds much better, especially with VA1 antialiased oscillators. KB3 mode is leaps and bounds better sounding than anything on K-series (especially in the new v2.00 OS). Keybed is much better, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Binkeys Posted December 28, 2010 Members Share Posted December 28, 2010 It's also worth noting that with the new OS 2.0, any PC3 can import earlier K programs (although if they don't use the internal samples, the PC3 looks for the closest match, which might/might not help.) The PC3 is my first Kurz, so I don't have a stash of fave Kurz patches on hand. Folks who do might well find the PC3 (or PC3K if you need additional samples) well worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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