Members sleepykeith Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 But, how much more would it have cost to provide MIDI? is there any reason why they don't provide a midi upgrade kit?i plan to own an OS at some point... but it's lack of midi is the main thing that's been keeping me from snatching one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Well, now that Moog has discontinued the OS, maybe they have a "Voyager OS II" planned with MIDI built-in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Why not just get one and get a MIDI to CV box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Why not just get one and get a MIDI to CV box?Of course that's always an option... the discussion has been more along the lines that Moog could have easily provided MIDI in the OS from the get-go and if they did, it might have sold better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Damien_O Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Damn, what else are they blowing out? THATS WHAT SHE SAID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 Oh sure, there are deals out there. Noisebug had a used Voyager Electric Blue last summer for $1,999. But I got my LP used for under $800.The funny thing is, I have $2,000+ worth of Moogerfoogers and Eurorack modules, but I would never sell that stuff to fund a "normal" synth. I thought about the LP, then decided to wait until I could find a deal on a Voyager for these reasons: more CV I/O on the Voyager, and the touchpad. Voyager OS might have been a more appealing product to me with the touchpad, although I understand the touchpad might have violated the sensibilities of the purist types who wanted to see an updated Minimoog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Umbra Posted January 22, 2010 Members Share Posted January 22, 2010 So, bringing a Voyager OS into your studio instantly disables MIDI on all your other synths?Yah, that's exactly what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Iamthesky Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 I'd been waiting to get an OS until I could afford it. An old fart like me doesn't need MIDI, doesn't like peering at LED screens, and for a lead monophonic just wants a what-you-dial-is-what-you-get on the knobs. That's exactly the OS. I've wanted one since it was first announced. I still can't really afford one, but at this price and being discontinued, I can't afford not to get one. So I just did. Hot damn. I just bought a Minimoog. I've wanted a Minimoog since the first time I saw Tim Blake play his old "Moonweed" with Hawkwind in 79. And I finally just bought one. It's just starting to sink in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tspit74 Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 That whitewash OS would look so freakin' cool on top of my Mellotron. If money grew on trees... Oh, well. {censored}! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hogberto Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 I'd been waiting to get an OS until I could afford it. An old fart like me doesn't need MIDI, doesn't like peering at LED screens, and for a lead monophonic just wants a what-you-dial-is-what-you-get on the knobs. That's exactly the OS. I've wanted one since it was first announced. I still can't really afford one, but at this price and being discontinued, I can't afford not to get one. So I just did. Hot damn. I just bought a Minimoog. I've wanted a Minimoog since the first time I saw Tim Blake play his old "Moonweed" with Hawkwind in 79. And I finally just bought one. It's just starting to sink in... welcome to the Voyager Old Fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 So, bringing a Voyager OS into your studio instantly disables MIDI on all your other synths?Yup, it does, because as soon as you bring an OS into your studio, you're going to have so much fun tweaking those knobs and playing with it, all those boring MIDI synths are going to feel left out. Dang, it's so tempting to pull the trigger... it's like "OS or wife... OS or wife..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -groovatious- Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 it's like "OS or wife... OS or wife..." That's a no brainer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 That's a no brainer...Normally, but wives like mine are as scarce, and lovely, as a never-been-unboxed Jupiter-8 selling for $1000. I could also say "OS or Andy... OS or Andy..." but I don't want to part with the Andy either. Or order the OS and have it shipped to work... set it up in my cubicle with a pair of headphones... she would never know, and it would make my work day go by faster too! At least until I get fired and have to bring the thing home... then I can tell her "it was in storage and they didn't know what to do with it, so they let me have it... honest!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted January 23, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 I could also say "OS or Andy... OS or Andy..." but I don't want to part with the Andy either. I'd ditch the Motif if I were you. I mean, seriously, what kind of sound does it make that the FREE Proteus VX software doesn't? :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundxplorer Posted January 23, 2010 Author Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 And I finally just bought one. It's just starting to sink in... Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AnCap Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hopefully they make some halfway between the voyager and the LP. An LP with all the knobs, and a more normal form factor would be pretty awesome. I actually was thinking of getting an OS, but it seemed a bit expensive for what I would be using. If it goes to 1500 I will probably buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Moogasaur Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 I've wanted a Minimoog since the first time I saw Tim Blake play his old "Moonweed" with Hawkwind in 79. And I finally just bought one. It's just starting to sink in... Dude, that is awesome! I know what it's like to lust over a synth and not be able to get it until years (or decades) later. It's such a great feeling once you do get it. I wouldn't mind having an OS myself. I usually don't use MIDI in the studio, but have used it when playing live. If if I needed to use MIDI with an OS, I'd just connect it to my MIDI/CV converter. Not a problem at all. The OS would also probably serve as my main controller for my modular. On the other hand, I'd probably be tempted to buy the Voyager because of the backlit panel. That panel is so wicked looking!! Next thing in line that would sway me to the V'ger would be the patch memory, and then finally the pad (though I still wish it were mounted by the wheels, horizontally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members clusterchord Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 also, the knob quantization and tuning precision limits built into the Voyager really DOES change the sound. I noticed it right away playing the OS - it's truly analog smooth like other non-microprocessor-controlled synths are. Just offset two VCOs' tuning slightly and it's pretty obvious. The LP and even moreso the Voyager are not the same as the OS in this respect. indeed i noticed knob quantisation on Voyager, every time. whether this is a faulty unit (new, displayed in the store), i can't tell. be it as it may, altough some ppl have problems with these kind of classifications, but OS indeed is more analogue than Vyg/LP, in this respect. moreso, i notice this on all my memory analogs vs. non-memory analogs. it may sometimes be subtle, but wild tweaks of cutoff, esp under resonance, fleshes it out every time. just like digital lfos, you can always get them to "give themselves away". each system has its advantages and disadvantages obviously. if you need 26 different sounds during a performance, or have a polyanalog, only a memory synth will do obviously. i don't use or need that many sounds live on my monos (mini & sh2), and can set them up in a few seconds. also, i use lot of real time tweaking, where i basically morph from one sound to the other, so the ultimate smoothness of "old school" system (hate that term btw) works to my advantage. ymmv. i concurr they should have equipped it with barebones MIDI at least. note on/off, MW/PB and velocity to VCA/VCF/ENV. and it should have been priced like this from day one. altough its not a problem to fit it with a capable midi-cv and use all those I/O real estate at the back. also, things start looking up for CV gear, with the new systems like Volta and Silent Way, using DC Audio to control CV stuff. smooooooother and more accurate than midi can ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dang. That's an exceedingly tempting offer. Considering my synth traffic lately, though, I think teh wife might have issue with one of those showing up on our doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted January 23, 2010 Members Share Posted January 23, 2010 I'm buying one this summer...... stick that in your pipe and smoke it The Moog guitar is literally the most innovative guitar released to this date. It's not for everyone by any stretch, but for bands heavy on atmosphere and sound design it's indispensable. The Moog guitar isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kpatz Posted January 24, 2010 Members Share Posted January 24, 2010 Given the price of the Moog Guitar, they probably only have to sell 10 of them to turn a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted January 24, 2010 Members Share Posted January 24, 2010 I think its telling that they discontinued the OS. True...(spot the Amos in the back.... note: i'm not on the pic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Don Solaris Posted January 24, 2010 Members Share Posted January 24, 2010 Anyone who says there is a difference in sound between the OS and the standard voyager is an idiot. Stepping? Please... Well i guess that makes me an idiot. If you try to detune OSC2 on Voyager, values 2 and 3 are barely perceptible and 4 is too much. If you want the in-between values, you are out of luck. They have implemented it this way in order to prevent Voyager from accidental detuning due to external factors such as dust and so on. They have quantized it rather crudely in other words. There's no such thing as quantization on the Old School as pots are wired directly to the analog board. Difference: night / day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted January 24, 2010 Members Share Posted January 24, 2010 Let me preface my comment by saying I'm a total idiot when it comes to all this technical stuff, so I bow to those of you whom have much more knowledge and experience than I.(Don you are one of those). I just isolated osc2 on my Voyager and detuned it by the values you mentioned, and I could hear the difference as the value changed. It didn't change abruptly from nothing at +1 or +2 to +4, nor did I notice any stepping. For this experiment I used a triangle wave and had the cutoff set around 10 oclock. Of course as I lowered the cutoff the difference became more difficult to distinquish. Perhaps it's because I have an early 50th anniversary Voyager without the backlit panel or any of the upgrades, I don't know. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying and my experiment means nothing. I am totally open to comments and am anxious to learn. I do love the concept of the OS and to be honest, if I didn't already have the Voyager, I would jump all over the OS. When it was first released, I seriously considered getting one and selling my Voyager 50th edition, but to my ears it sounds great and there is no real need to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goldphinga Posted January 24, 2010 Members Share Posted January 24, 2010 Let me preface my comment by saying I'm a total idiot when it comes to all this technical stuff, so I bow to those of you whom have much more knowledge and experience than I.(Don you are one of those). I just isolated osc2 on my Voyager and detuned it by the values you mentioned, and I could hear the difference as the value changed. It didn't change abruptly from nothing at +1 or +2 to +4, nor did I notice any stepping. For this experiment I used a triangle wave and had the cutoff set around 10 oclock. Of course as I lowered the cutoff the difference became more difficult to distinquish. Perhaps it's because I have an early 50th anniversary Voyager without the backlit panel or any of the upgrades, I don't know. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying and my experiment means nothing. I am totally open to comments and am anxious to learn. I do love the concept of the OS and to be honest, if I didn't already have the Voyager, I would jump all over the OS. When it was first released, I seriously considered getting one and selling my Voyager 50th edition, but to my ears it sounds great and there is no real need to change. You are correct, all detune values are all perceptible on the oscs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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