Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 So I recently purchased the M50, and it's very cool. I'm a guitarist and purchased this as my first synth to add more texture and elements into my songs. I like the M50 sounds for the most part, except for the BRASS. Every single brass sound is TERRIBLE. I don't even know why they bothered to include them That sucks b/c I've been getting into a lot of the neo-motown stuff too :sadpanda: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CfNorENa Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yup, this is without a doubt the weakest part of the M50 sound engine. Solo brass isn't too bad (a few decent trumpets), but ensemble brass is just dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 Please post a video of you playing brass sounds, then puking. It would be quite enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 I have yet to hear good brass ensemble from any synth. Even sampled ensembles start to sound static because it's the same each and every time. Maybe they should just replace those patches with puke ensembles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 I have yet to hear good brass ensemble from any synth. Even sampled ensembles start to sound static because it's the same each and every time.Maybe they should just replace those patches with puke ensembles. I actually have one I created on my computer with the bottom half of the keyboard female orgasms and the top-half are wild animal sounds. it's the best. i plan to hook up my MIDI guitar one day to do a rock star solo on stage. the only decent horns i've heard, but have not played with are the chris heins soft-synth ones. they cost a fortune tho. the arturia BRASS soft synth sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members veracohr Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 Every single brass sound is TERRIBLE. There. Just this part is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seamonkey Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 Excluding the said M50 Brass of which you speak, I think whether horns sound realistic or not, comes down to how they are being played. It is somewhat comparable to your average keyboard player trying to play guitar on a keyboard, even with the best samples, it never quite sounds convincing(of course there are exceptions). I have some horns on my Ensoniq VFX-SD that I think sound quite good, and I've lived in Motown my whole life(less military service). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cydonia Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 This : I think whether horns sound realistic or not, comes down to how they are being played. + Wrong use of mono/channel aftertouch for more than one simultaneous note of anything orchestral. Too bad they don't make poly-AT keyboard controllers anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted January 6, 2011 Members Share Posted January 6, 2011 Excluding the said M50 Brass of which you speak, I think whether horns sound realistic or not, comes down to how they are being played. +1 EXACTLY. There's a real craft to effectively playing convincing brass parts on a keyboard. Someone who knows what they're doing can produce amazing brass parts with an otherwise mediocre sample. A great sounding brass patch played like a keyboardist (like me) won't be convincing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted January 7, 2011 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 +1There's a real craft to effectively playing convincing brass parts on a keyboard.Someone who knows what they're doing can produce amazing brass parts with an otherwise mediocre sample.A great sounding brass patch played like a keyboardist (like me) won't be convincing at all. nonsense. don't hate the player, hate the keyboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 nonsense. don't hate the player, hate the keyboard! Abso-freakin-lutely! I've spent all this coin on these stupid things, they're supposed to make me sound like a god! Rich promised me that I'd be King of All Pianos if I bought the SV-1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gribs Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Abso-freakin-lutely! I've spent all this coin on these stupid things, they're supposed to make me sound like a god! Rich promised me that I'd be King of All Pianos if I bought the SV-1! You can be the King of all Pianos, just not the King of all Pianists :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 You can be the King of all Pianos, just not the King of all Pianists :poke: Awwww c'mon, let me have this. I have so little. *bawww* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soundwave106 Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 I have yet to hear good brass ensemble from any synth. Even sampled ensembles start to sound static because it's the same each and every time. I think you really would need a breath control and some modeling along those lines to come close. Setups like Chris Hein's, where articulations and such are programmed over a MIDI keyboard, allow a greater degree of realism. I would think it would take a fair amount of work to play those, though. You'd have to have some knowledge of how to play a horn in order to make it sound right. (The same problem exists in many sampled instruments, from violin to electric guitar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zzzxtreme Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 I can get very good brass with yamaha keyboards (non-VL), korg has good saxes. breath control is very neccessary for VL.if m50 brass sounds ain't right, can't do anything bout it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 I have yet to hear any hardware synth capable of producing a good brass sound emulation when played alone. Recording such instrument in a mix is a different story [you can "trick" many ears if you know how]. Also, you said that you're a guitarist and that this is your first synth. Well, as an acoustic instrument musician, you are asking too much from a machine. It's your instinct and that's understandable. Unless you use some of today's virtual brass instruments on stage, or simply hire a brass player, I don't think you'll achieve semi-perfection or perfection any time soon using a hardware synth. However, as with any sound, some synths are better than others. Get the Roland XV-5050 and your opinion will change significantly when it comes to brass..and practically any acoustic sound that comes in this machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChipCurtis Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Call me weird, but I think the best sounding ensemble brass on a hardware synth is analog brass. Just sounds warmer, not necessarily more 'realistic' but warmer like an acoustic instrument. Of course articulation and good keyboarding skills help, but as far as the actual sound, real VCF's help immensely. I always keep at least one polysynth w/ analog filters in my setup just for that specific purpose. A cheap DCO/hybrid with VCF is all that's really needed. Ensemble brass has always sounded bad on all-digital synths as far back as I can remember, and that hasn't changed. Even my Korg Z1 which excels in so many areas can't do this basic sound convincingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purity_Control Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Analog brass is usually nice. Mellotron brass is pretty tasy too, at least for having a different high quality sample for each note, also quite limited and not so great if you don;t want it to sound, um, mellotronish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purity_Control Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 [video=youtube;-z9XG1m8Rco] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 LOLOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 they don't make me puke but they do sound hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tspit74 Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 Mellotron brass has never made me puke. Especially coming from a real Mellotron. How about "digital samples of Mellotrons make me puke?" Dumb video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 OK, really, PC? Really? Must you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purity_Control Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 lol tspit it is a skit on the M50 Brass Sounds Make Me Puke thread. i love mellotron sounds, whether from real tape or sampled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mediterranean Posted January 7, 2011 Members Share Posted January 7, 2011 lol tspit it is a skit on the M50 Brass Sounds Make Me Puke thread. ..which is why I laughed:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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