Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HljzEXJvj8 Zappa Live Montana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCG4Caw7IIc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cookie Monster Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Wow! That John Lofton guy's a real pinner! Still watching, long but good (like me )! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cookie Monster Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 OK, still watching. So far I'd say that it's quite clear the Mr. Lofton has a deeply repressed sexual attraction to Mr. Zappa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 OK, still watching. So far I'd say that it's quite clear the Mr. Lofton has a deeply repressed sexual attraction to Mr. Zappa. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cookie Monster Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 All done, great video, thanks for posting the link! Braden and Novak were pretty cool actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 All done, great video, thanks for posting the link! Braden and Novak were pretty cool actually. Ya, I think it's amazing how the leftist media are socialists anymore... and Zappa told them where to get off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 fascist theocracy...how did he know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RossE Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Frank Zappa is to music as Noam Chomsky is to americna foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Zappa for president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knucklefux Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 umm...chomsky was a linguist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TomCTC Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 21 minutes? {censored} that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 ZAPPA, R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheReaper Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Zappa for president +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zachman Posted March 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 +1This is what the campagne poster would look like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RossE Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 umm...chomsky was a linguist... List of political books by chomsky: * (1967). The Responsibility of Intellectuals * (1969). American Power and the New Mandarins * (1970). "Notes on Anarchism", New York Review of Books * (1970). At war with Asia * (1970). Two Essays on Cambodia * (1971). Chomsky: selected readings * (1971). Problems of Knowledge and Freedom * (1973). For Reasons of State * (1974). Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on Justice and Nationhood * (1976). Intellectuals and the State * (1978). Human Rights and American Foreign Policy * (1979). After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology (with Edward Herman) * (1979). Language and Responsibility * (1979). The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism (with Edward Herman) * (1981). Radical Priorities * (1982). Superpowers in collision: the cold war now * (1982). Towards a New Cold War: Essays on the Current Crisis and How We Got There * (1983). The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians * (1985). Turning the Tide : U.S. intervention in Central America and the Struggle for Peace * (1986). Pirates and Emperors: International Terrorism in the Real World * (1986). The Race to Destruction: Its Rational Basis * (1987). The Chomsky Reader * (1987). On Power and Ideology * (1987). Turning the Tide: the U.S. and Latin America * (1988). The Culture of Terrorism * (1988). Language and Politics * (1988). Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media (with Edward Herman) * (1989). Necessary Illusions * (1991). Terrorizing the Neighborhood * (1992). What Uncle Sam Really Wants * (1992). Chronicles of Dissent * (1992). Deterring Democracy * (1993). Letters from Lexington: Reflections on Propaganda * (1993). The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many * (1993). Rethinking Camelot: JFK, the Vietnam War, and U.S. Political Culture * (1993). World Order and Its Rules: Variations on Some Themes * (1993). Year 501: The Conquest Continues * (1994). Keeping the rabble in Line * (1994). Secrets, Lies, and Democracy * (1994). World Orders, Old and New * (1996). Powers and Prospects: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order * (1996). Class Warfare * (1997). Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda * (1997). One Chapter, The Cold War and the University * (1998). The Culture of Terrorism * (1999). The Umbrella of US Power * (1999). The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo * (1999). Profit over People * (1999). The Fateful Triangle * (2000). A New Generation Draws the Line: Kosovo, East Timor and the Standards of the West * (2000). Rogue States * (2001). Propaganda and the Public Mind * (2001). 9-11 * (2002). Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky * (2002). Media control * (2003). Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance * (2003). Znet article, Deep Concerns http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3293 * (2004). Getting Haiti Right This Time: The U.S. and the Coup (with Paul Farmer and Amy Goodman) * (2005). Chomsky on Anarchism * (2005) Government in the future. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1583226850. Text of the lecture given at the Poetry Center, New York, February 16, 1970. * (2005). Imperial Ambitions - Conversations on the Post-9/11 World * (2006). Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy * (2006). Perilous Power. The Middle East and U.S. Foreign Policy. Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice (with Gilbert Achcar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheGreatGreen Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 umm...chomsky was a linguist... He is also the most influential radical political author of the past 50 years. And by the way, Zappa owned in that Crossfire episode. He was by far the most calm, collected, and lucid individual on the set. I know I probably would have clocked the other guy in the middle if that was my face he was shoving his finger into for half the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FearTheReaper Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 This is what the campagne poster would look like: Haha, genius.It's so utterly mind-blowing to watch people like Lofton who think that they and their government ought to regulate what people listen to. It really is a form of a Fascist Theocracy, when morals such as those have no concrete backing other than some flimsy refutable scripture passage. It's all rhetoric that relies solely on an abstract concept of he-said, she-said.That's not to say, however, that morals in themselves are a bad thing. They most certainly aren't, as they are solely responsible for bringing us out of the wild and into a (mostly) cooperative society which allows us to strive to better ourselves as we see fit. The distinction between irrefutable, concrete law and censored, tailored religious propaganda lies in man's most basic instincts and needs.Of course we shouldn't go around killing each other, it violates one of the most fundamental aspects of natural law, which supersedes man and all of his creations (i.e. religion), but is there any crime, either against mankind or even the government, in being confronted with these situations through not only words, but music? Absolutely not. If one doesn't wish to hear such things, he certainly doesn't have to. That's why they invented the "family friendly" radio stations, so that warts who are so ashamed of who they are can tune in to something that will never make them question any aspect of their lives, so that they can continue to live in a deceivingly secure community that they have set up for themselves.Give me a break, if the "rock music on the radio" is considered as promoting "evil" and "destructive" ideas, take a look at the oppression of human dignity and self-esteem forced upon so many children by religious standards that most of them don't even believe in.::sigh::/rant For the record: As much as I agree that the radio is a pile of useless, smelly garbage, it is for a much different reason than those who oppose the freedom to choose how we raise ourselves.... They play terrible music 99.9% of the time. Haven't listened to it other than NPR News in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members davis1 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 I would have punched Lofton in the face backstage if I was Zappa. True men use their fists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Polaris20 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 RIP Zappa. Smartest man in that video. It's amazing that Zappa is the "wild musician" or whatever, yet Lofton is the one to start first with the name calling and losing his cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dufe32 Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Zappa is just the best. What a bright and talented man, he went on the other side way too fast. Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dethmetalanimal Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 List of political books by chomsky: * (1967). The Responsibility of Intellectuals * (1969). American Power and the New Mandarins * (1970). "Notes on Anarchism", New York Review of Books * (1970). At war with Asia * (1970). Two Essays on Cambodia * (1971). Chomsky: selected readings * (1971). Problems of Knowledge and Freedom * (1973). For Reasons of State * (1974). Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on Justice and Nationhood * (1976). Intellectuals and the State * (1978). Human Rights and American Foreign Policy * (1979). After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology (with Edward Herman) * (1979). Language and Responsibility * (1979). The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism (with Edward Herman) * (1981). Radical Priorities * (1982). Superpowers in collision: the cold war now * (1982). Towards a New Cold War: Essays on the Current Crisis and How We Got There * (1983). The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians * (1985). Turning the Tide : U.S. intervention in Central America and the Struggle for Peace * (1986). Pirates and Emperors: International Terrorism in the Real World * (1986). The Race to Destruction: Its Rational Basis * (1987). The Chomsky Reader * (1987). On Power and Ideology * (1987). Turning the Tide: the U.S. and Latin America * (1988). The Culture of Terrorism * (1988). Language and Politics * (1988). Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media (with Edward Herman) * (1989). Necessary Illusions * (1991). Terrorizing the Neighborhood * (1992). What Uncle Sam Really Wants * (1992). Chronicles of Dissent * (1992). Deterring Democracy * (1993). Letters from Lexington: Reflections on Propaganda * (1993). The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many * (1993). Rethinking Camelot: JFK, the Vietnam War, and U.S. Political Culture * (1993). World Order and Its Rules: Variations on Some Themes * (1993). Year 501: The Conquest Continues * (1994). Keeping the rabble in Line * (1994). Secrets, Lies, and Democracy * (1994). World Orders, Old and New * (1996). Powers and Prospects: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order * (1996). Class Warfare * (1997). Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda * (1997). One Chapter, The Cold War and the University * (1998). The Culture of Terrorism * (1999). The Umbrella of US Power * (1999). The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo * (1999). Profit over People * (1999). The Fateful Triangle * (2000). A New Generation Draws the Line: Kosovo, East Timor and the Standards of the West * (2000). Rogue States * (2001). Propaganda and the Public Mind * (2001). 9-11 * (2002). Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky * (2002). Media control * (2003). Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance * (2003). Znet article, Deep Concerns http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3293 * (2004). Getting Haiti Right This Time: The U.S. and the Coup (with Paul Farmer and Amy Goodman) * (2005). Chomsky on Anarchism * (2005) Government in the future. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1583226850. Text of the lecture given at the Poetry Center, New York, February 16, 1970. * (2005). Imperial Ambitions - Conversations on the Post-9/11 World * (2006). Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy * (2006). Perilous Power. The Middle East and U.S. Foreign Policy. Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice (with Gilbert Achcar) yeah well, but aside from all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AgentOrange Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Cheers for that man, id never seen that video before. I think the one thing that shocked all those campaigners at the time was how eloquent and intellegent all these wild men of rock were in adressing their concerns. My favorite was Dee Snider where he adressed the senate commitee, he properly pwned tipper gore...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvmyNnepTk James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fr0sty Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 That is a classic video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members STEEL KAGE Posted March 22, 2007 Members Share Posted March 22, 2007 Lofton's a Joke, Im glad that Frank punished his dumb repressed ass.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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