Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Rat pedal into an AC15 http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=25219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trey85stang Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 id say a little too much grit. Other then that pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 id say a little too much grit. Other then that pretty damn good. When I hooked up the Rat pedal to the AC15 all I could play was old Sabbath riffs. It has that cool heavy fuzz type crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 No stoner tone love? :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Norton666 Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Thats a little too clean for my kinda Stoner tone. By clean, I dont mean not enough gain, just not enough hair. If that makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Thats a little too clean for my kinda Stoner tone. By clean, I dont mean not enough gain, just not enough hair. If that makes any sense.Damn it had more hair and I liked it, but I rolled off a bit of highs afterwards thinking people would say it has too much hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Like I said on TGP, gnarly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Neilrocks25 Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 To much gain, and (very) little to much low (most of the low belive it or not came from Geezer). But it does sound very nice, I like that a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Like I said on TGP, gnarly!!! It is pretty nasty, I dig it.Great for heavy bar chords and single note stuff.I'm gonna keep the Rat pedal for recording to get gnarl sometimes.Hey what is better for this type of tone...Big Muff maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 To much gain, and (very) little to much low (most of the low belive it or not came from Geezer). But it does sound very nice, I like that a lot. Cool thanks!Good points. The AC15 was set for totally clean, so that's all Rat gain. I had the dist. knob around 12:00....actually the tone and level knobs where at 12:00 as well on the Rat...so lots of play there on the pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 It is pretty nasty, I dig it. Great for heavy bar chords and single note stuff. I'm gonna keep the Rat pedal for recording to get gnarl sometimes. Hey what is better for this type of tone...Big Muff maybe? Personally I think stock Big Muffs sound like ass. The tone you have now is damn near perfect for the stoner {censored}, although it sounds tighter than what you typically hear in that genre, but thats a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Personally I think stock Big Muffs sound like ass. The tone you have now is damn near perfect for the stoner {censored}, although it sounds tighter than what you typically hear in that genre, but thats a good thing. I'm trying out that new Rat dual pedal.But there's an old Rat like this on the local Craigslist.I think that's the one I want. It has the little switch up top so I think it's the Keeley modded one, which would be very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 I have an old school Rat. They are cool pedals. Somewhere in between a distortion and a fuzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rbm Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 That is part of their tone alright. Especially Paranoid. I think that to make it totally Sabbath, you need to have that tone as part of the "layer" with some guitar tracked for "depth". I could see War Pigs with this but an extra git or 2 for roundness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 I have an old school Rat. They are cool pedals. Somewhere in between a distortion and a fuzz. I'm reading the old Rat and the new Rat sound a bit different.Could your old Rat get a tone similar to this?If not, I actually may like the new one I have here better then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members telephant Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 I'm reading the old Rat and the new Rat sound a bit different. Could your old Rat get a tone similar to this? If not, I actually may like the new one I have here better then. Mine sounds a lot like yours. And I dig it. I havent played the newer ones though so your guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 That is part of their tone alright. Especially Paranoid. I think that to make it totally Sabbath, you need to have that tone as part of the "layer" with some guitar tracked for "depth". I could see War Pigs with this but an extra git or 2 for roundness.I was thinking of playing it twice...doubling it and panning it...it would sound a lot more like it then. I think Iommi doubled a lot of the rhythms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rbm Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 I was thinking of playing it twice...doubling it and panning it...it would sound a lot more like it then. I think Iommi doubled a lot of the rhythms. Listen to the lead guitars on Paranoid/Pigs/Iron Man - they are all double tracked. The lead on Paraniod is about the fuzziest guitar I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Mine sounds a lot like yours. And I dig it. I havent played the newer ones though so your guess is as good as mine. Cool...I'll try to grab that used old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pwnerenator Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Listen to the lead guitars on Paranoid/Pigs/Iron Man - they are all double tracked. The lead on Paraniod is about the fuzziest guitar I've ever heard.Ya...his sound makes the old Sabbath great for me. People don't think of him much when trying to get a cool heavy tone, but he had a very cool tone for the stuff they wrote...you know it's Iommi right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Blackwater Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Cool clip!! if you listen closely to Sabbath there really is not that much grit. It is all power amp distortion!! What you are hearing is an amp dimed and speakers extending to the max... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Van Sykes Posted November 2, 2007 Author Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 Cool clip!! if you listen closely to Sabbath there really is not that much grit. It is all power amp distortion!! What you are hearing is an amp dimed and speakers extending to the max...This was done low volume...that would make a big difference backing off the gain on the Rat pedal and cranking the amp up. I bet that would be great...maybe I'll try a quick clip like that again when I get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members noseminer Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 can you try it w/ teh peters map too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yabba Posted November 2, 2007 Members Share Posted November 2, 2007 This was done low volume...that would make a big difference backing off the gain on the Rat pedal and cranking the amp up. I bet that would be great...maybe I'll try a quick clip like that again when I get home from work. that's definitely the way to go less preamp/rat gain, more poweramp/speaker contributionI dig the rat sound for this sort of thing too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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