Members cleever Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 no way it is overrated. have you seen some of the clips of that guy? it would be like mcCain going to a church where david duke preached about the evil blacks every sunday.+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoomzilla Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Ataris, nice exerpt from a paper. I agree with a lot of your points, I think that there should be NO barriers to ANY place for ANY people. That is a lot of my argument. What we have not is basically reverse racism and it needs to stop. I am not going to go into any long drawn out argument, but you know exactly what I mean. I am for EQUALITY for all! I support that 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 not saying your opinion is wrong...I just don't get how people don't see his speech as anything but brilliant. Well you wouldn't say that to Doug! But me! Of course you would! His speech is brilliant. Every time he opens his mouth you see his agenda more clearly. This man will play all sides and his speeches are nothing more than lip service. If you can't understand the double standards that Obama consistently applies, there is little hope for you my friend. In this way, he is very much like Bill Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoomzilla Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Well you wouldn't say that to Doug! But me! Of course you would!His speech is brilliant. Every time he opens his mouth you see his agenda more clearly. This man will play all sides and his speeches are nothing more than lip service. If you can't understand the double standards that Obama consistently applies, there is little hope for you my friend. In this way, he is very much like Bill Clinton. What? Someone else sees it too? There is life out there!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAbomb12 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 what double standard? what lip-service? If anything, Obama is making him self more vulnerable by not simply saying what everyone wants to here: that he completely disowns this pastor... imo... Obama is laying down a whole lot of TRUTH rather than just telling people what they want to hear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zoomzilla Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 what double standard? what lip-service? If anything, Obama is making him self more vulnerable by not simply saying what everyone wants to here: that he completely disowns this pastor... What? That is total BS. Yes, he condemned his comments, then a few minutes later in his speech he went on singing his praises as to what a great man he was. That is disowning him how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 What? Someone else sees it too? There is life out there!!!!! Might not become an allie of mine...I am not the most popular fella in these parts. But I am with you. Obama is a good politician. Meaning, a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAbomb12 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 That is disowning him how? he didn't disown the pastor... he disowned the comments. People WANTED HIM to disown the pastor completely... He praised the Pastor for a life of good deeds, but did not approve of his radical remarks. He was trying to place context on the comments, which the media was not allowing...and while Obama ultimately condemns comments-- I think he had a lot of balls for revealing that they were made in Bitterness ( rather than in hatred or racisms) that reverberates throughout the black community. Obama then went on to mention that the Pastors divisive words are a symptom of many Americans, and that is something that needs addressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 What? That is total BS. Yes, he condemned his comments, then a few minutes later in his speech he went on singing his praises as to what a great man he was. That is disowning him how?You see things in black and white and it's ridiculous. Simply because the man said a few unfavorable comments, he's suddenly a terrible person? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 What? That is total BS. Yes, he condemned his comments, then a few minutes later in his speech he went on singing his praises as to what a great man he was. That is disowning him how? Not to mention making excuses for him. "This is a common black experience in America!" Yeah, real uniting speech. This guy will make race relations far worse if he gets elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joining_Heads Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 My brother saw Obama speak a few weeks back @ U of W. His word were "best speaker ever, but underneath its nothing but rhetoric and optimism". Good speaker but no real plan. People compare him to JFK. JFK was a lousy president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Not to mention making excuses for him. "This is a common black experience in America!" Yeah, real uniting speech. This guy will make race relations far worse if he gets elected. Since he's clearly drawn voters from nearly every race in the USIt's not like Romney or McCain would make them any better. Romney is quite the racist and I wouldn't say McCain is particularly fond of minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rushtallica Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 You'll do about everything to discredit everything Clinton ever did for the US, won't you? It's completely unarguable that the fact that Clinton was the first president to pass a balanced budget since 1969 was a huge factor in the US's surplus at the end of Clinton's presidency. How about you tell me something Bush has done that has helped our economy I give him tons of credit for helping destroy the economy with his corporate-sponsored war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 he didn't disown the pastor...he disowned the comments. Please WANTED HIM to disown the pastor completely...He praised the Pastor for a life of good deeds, but did not approve of his radical remarks. He was trying to place context on the comments, which the media was not allowing...and while Obama ultimately condemns comments-- I think he had a lot of balls for revealing that they were made in Bitterness ( rather than in hatred or racisms) that reverberates throughout the black community. Obama then went on to mention that the Pastors divisive words are a symptom of many Americans, and that is something that needs addressing. But why wouldn't he leave that church if your leader feels this way? I have left many of churches because of this type of thing. You don't stick around unless you are getting spirtually fed. Or worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bdegrande Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 After Bush, we are going to need someone as smart as Obama in charge very badly. He treated the American people with enough respect that they could understand subtlety and nuance. Quite a change from "the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 What? That is total BS. Yes, he condemned his comments, then a few minutes later in his speech he went on singing his praises as to what a great man he was. That is disowning him how? You misread what he said. He meant that everyone WANTS to hear him say that he completely disowns the pastor, but he ISN'T saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Since he's clearly drawn voters from nearly every race in the US It's not like Romney or McCain would make them any better. Romney is quite the racist and I wouldn't say McCain is particularly fond of minorities. Do you have to favor minorities? Do you have to favor anyone except our own country? Since when is that a prerequisite for becoming the President?Every candidate has drawn from every race in the US. Are you thinking before you type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BerkleeBill Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 You can't trust Obama. He's a muslim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAbomb12 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 But why wouldn't he leave that church if your leader feels this way? I have left many of churches because of this type of thing. You don't stick around unless you are getting spirtually fed. Or worse... cause the pastor isn't only those comments... there is more to the man then the comments... If you had to disown any friends cause you disagreed with them on one or two things, you wouldn't have any friends. Further-- I honestly don't see any of his outbursts as being Racists... Bitter over racial issues? Yes Critical of the US? oh hell yeah Racists? no.... I don't see it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 Do you have to favor minorities? Do you have to favor anyone except our own country? Since when is that a prerequisite for becoming the President?Every candidate has drawn from every race in the US. Are you thinking before you type? I wouldn't say favor, but being a racist isn't exactly a good quality if you're president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 After Bush, we are going to need someone as smart as Obama in charge very badly. He treated the American people with enough respect that they could understand subtlety and nuance. Quite a change from "the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 cause the pastor isn't only those comments...there is more to the man then the comments...If you had to disown any friends cause you disagreed with them on one or two things, you wouldn't have any friends. Further-- I honestly don't see any of his outbursts as being Racists...Bitter over racial issues? YesCritical of the US? oh hell yeahRacists? no.... I don't see it.... Then you my friend are about as PC as it gets. If what his pastor has said isn't racist, I don't know what the defintion of racism is. "The US OF KKK." Nahh, not racist at all. Is it not possible for black people to be racist against whites? Of course it's possible. If you have disagreements with your friends, especially profound ones like this issue, you bet your balls friendships might be jeapordized. And if you are a morally upright person, you would not associate with racists, would you? All I am saying is that intolerance on that level is not something that I would want my pastor supporting and you can bet your ass I would walk out right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marshallnoise Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I wouldn't say favor, but being a racist isn't exactly a good quality if you're president. Well, being associated with racists isn't a good quality either. But seriously, who is calling McCain or Romney a racist? What is your defintion of racism that you can call these guys racist and not Rev. Wright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Inertiatic_SKS Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 I would say after hundreds of years of persecution, blacks have every right in the world to be critical of whites and even racist. It's all karma. And I wouldn't say Wright is racist, but I think he's harshly critical. I'm not gonna say I support the guy 100%, but I support his right to speak freely and say what he believes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheAbomb12 Posted March 18, 2008 Members Share Posted March 18, 2008 "The US OF KKK." Nahh, not racist at all. you're right, its not... Tounge-in-cheek commentary... yes.... All I am saying is that intolerance on that level is not something that I would want my pastor supporting and you can bet your ass I would walk out right away. on what level? I seriously don't get it.... then again... I am black... and I agree with the Intended MESSAGE of the pastor-- but not its delivery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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