Members petejt Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 I can't remember the thread where we were discussing this. Anyway, below is an excerpt from a really good article in MusicTech magazine. Most of the info applies to post-production equalisation at the mixing desk, but it is VERY useful for eq'ing in the effects loop or in front between the guitar and amp. It is a table of the positive & negative aspects of Frequency Ranges. It's useful for identifying which frequencies are "muddy", "boomy", "harsh", an also good for clarity, warmth, body etc. Because I can't get things to align properly, I've written them as "Pro/Con". Low Frequencies30Hz-50Hz = Deep Sub-Bass/Wobbliness50Hz-100Hz = Bass/Boomy100Hz-200Hz = Power/Heavy Low-Mid Frequencies200Hz-300Hz = Deep Mid/Muddy300Hz-500Hz = Warmth/Boxy500Hz-600Hz = Body/Middy High-Mid Frequencies1kHz-2kHz = Up-front/Nasal2kHz-3kHz = Clarity/Thin3kHz-6kHz = Presence (Aggressive)/Hostile High Frequencies6kHz-8kHz = Brightness/Harsh8kHz-12kHz = Top/Edgy12kHz-16kHz = Air/Painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tinwhisker Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 oversimplified opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members newholland Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 hilarious! i like the witch emoticon... i think that's a great chart that every guitarist- no MUSICIAN-- should memorize for monday's quiz... it's helpful to know that stuff, because i've heard it too many times as an engineer 'man.. make that punchier' or some other relatively stupid thing that has NO tethered logic to it. lots of musicians scared of knowing the technical stuff, and all it does is HELP you refine your vision of 'good tone'! thanks fer posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mhr74 Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 Can't hurt to have words to make sense of it all. As long as u agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 hilarious! i like the witch emoticon... i think that's a great chart that every guitarist- no MUSICIAN-- should memorize for monday's quiz... it's helpful to know that stuff, because i've heard it too many times as an engineer 'man.. make that punchier' or some other relatively stupid thing that has NO tethered logic to it. lots of musicians scared of knowing the technical stuff, and all it does is HELP you refine your vision of 'good tone'! thanks fer posting! Thanks mate! I'm still reading through the article trying to get my head around it (LOTS of stuff), but already it's very useful and I'm learning heaps. You nailed it right on the head- that technical stuff as a glossary of terms does help to understand things and improve communication, both from engineer to guitarist, as well as among guitarists right here in this forum. I know that we all have different understandings of what an audio description means, especially the word "punchy". But they are all fairly similar across the board, and the list helps explain what we all mean and put the technical stuff into context. I'll post more info from the article soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members newholland Posted March 21, 2008 Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 hell yeah! i'm all for better educated musicians... it's funny how many skill levels there are out there-- there's lifer musicians with NO idea how to communicate what they want, and theres technicians who have great understanding of the insides of studios, and NO comprehension of musicality and everywhere in between... leveling the playing field can ONLY help out on both sides of the fence-- not only in just making things seem more possible, but in making crap sounds at the far extreme ends (outside intention, of course..) disappear. its awesome how much is possible at HOME nowadays-- so putting even a handful of the amassed studio knowledge of years of recording into the hands- and more importantly-- EARS of musicians is great stuff.. just so long as folks remember that tweaking those rules is also yer prerogative as well.. sure could make some inroads of understanding between rock bands and sound guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 21, 2008 hell yeah! i'm all for better educated musicians... it's funny how many skill levels there are out there-- there's lifer musicians with NO idea how to communicate what they want, and theres technicians who have great understanding of the insides of studios, and NO comprehension of musicality and everywhere in between... leveling the playing field can ONLY help out on both sides of the fence-- not only in just making things seem more possible, but in making crap sounds at the far extreme ends (outside intention, of course..) disappear. its awesome how much is possible at HOME nowadays-- so putting even a handful of the amassed studio knowledge of years of recording into the hands- and more importantly-- EARS of musicians is great stuff.. just so long as folks remember that tweaking those rules is also yer prerogative as well.. sure could make some inroads of understanding between rock bands and sound guys! yup, I am trying to help educate us all so we can better understand each other. I hope others find this useful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members petejt Posted March 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2008 Thank you for thinking my thread is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members clay_finley Posted March 24, 2008 Members Share Posted March 24, 2008 Cool chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted March 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted March 24, 2008 Cool chart. THANKS! There's still more in the article too, eg. how to boost treble without making it harsh (small boosts at discrete points rather than just a massive shelving boost @12kHz), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members johnfrusciante Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 yup, I am trying to help educate us all so we can better understand each other. I hope others find this useful too. i did! thanks for the chart. i actually saved that to me pc (not the greatest memory..) thanks, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Syn Harvest Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 ya i like this. Pretty useful imo. im gonna be getting a big 31 band possibly this could become quite useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 i think most people who've ever tried eq'ing/mixing very much can figure most of that out relatively quickly...most musicians tho have no experience whatsoever when it comes to that (i'm somewhere in between) so that sorta thing can be quite helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MaximumMetal Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 Good thread I can't wait to get out of work and record a track and mess with around with those frequencies and see if I agree with their descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cobrahead1030 Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 they kinda left out 600-1k, which is about where the guitar's midrange lies, and possibly the snare for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members micro66 Posted April 6, 2008 Members Share Posted April 6, 2008 Someone needs to scan the article and put it up on the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted May 4, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 4, 2008 Someone needs to scan the article and put it up on the web. It's a big article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted May 4, 2008 Author Members Share Posted May 4, 2008 they kinda left out 600-1k, which is about where the guitar's midrange lies, and possibly the snare for that matter I know. I believe that, that particular range needed its own category and explanation, as that range is rather particular with guitars. The article was mostly about EQ during recording and mixing, so it included info about bass guitars, drums, vocals etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members petejt Posted August 27, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 27, 2008 bump for afxwinter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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