Members grace_slick Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 But it IS bird crap...he's not actually SAYING "bird crap" because that'd suck in terms of a song lyric, so he says "defile" instead. I think it's ok. As far as "abused" goes, I don't necessarily think it's whiny...over the years the word "abuse" has become somewhat of a psycho-babble buzz word for a lot of things...and this can make it seem a bit prissy or whiny or...whatever. But in this case, this ship is beyond all that...it doesn't know about such things. It just knows how it feels. Also, I don't get the impression the ship is actually accusatory in its "abuse" statement...it is just stating the fact...it is almost beyond feeling anything towards that sort of treatment of itself...it just needs to get away...so no, I don't think it MEANS to be whiny...it is beyond whining. It's too wise for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted November 10, 2011 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2011 I agree about the bird poo and abuse. Not that it's a vote or anything and I'm sure Lenny will go with what he likes best anyway. And should. But those lines just jumped out at me. They feel out of character. I'm all for fist pumping ship power and letting them speak but... what happened for me when listened was... I was distracted. It's like when you're reading a cool novel, you're lost in the story and characters... then the author does something that reminds you there is an author. Author's intrusion. I became aware more of the storyteller and less of the story at those points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 I agree about the bird poo and abuse.what happened for me when listened was... I was distracted. It's like when you're reading a cool novel, you're lost in the story and characters... then the author does something that reminds you there is an author. Author's intrusion. I became aware more of the storyteller and less of the story at those points. That's exactly my point. It's reflective of the author's voice, not the ship's. LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 10, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Working on a subtle re-write that will allow me to say the things that need to be said in such a way that lets the listener flow through the song better. My worry with this specific issue is that I really want you to get past those first verses to the release of the chorus....which is so crucial for this song's development. I think I'll play this one a bit tonight and see what I can do before retracking the vocals. I really appreciate this level of input for this tune and I'd love to get any other ideas for lyric changes before I hit the red button again. I'm wondering how to make the transition to first person a bit smoother. Something like..... Just an old sailboat who is stuck in this harbor Pushed hard by the captain Too long on the sea With lines lines weakened Spliced by his shaking hand Running from the hurricane I slipped into the bay etc, etc.. I wouldn't be making such a concise connection....and I'd be introducing the first person connection in a more subtle manner. And how about..... Now the sea birds fly by me as I wait in the lee And ships on the high sea Speak to my destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 I'm wondering how to make the transition to first person a bit smoother.Something like.....Just an old sailboat who is stuck in this harborPushed hard by her captain (I still like "hard sailed")Too long on the seaWith lines lines (?) weakenedSpliced by his shaking handRunning from the hurricane I slipped into the bayetc, etc..I wouldn't be making such a concise connection....and I'd be introducing the first person connection in a more subtle manner.And how about.....Now the sea birds ignore me as I wait in the leewhile ships on the high seaSpeak to my destiny Those are my suggestions. And once again, I think this is a terrific song, really well-produced. Very close to perfection. LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Lee Knight Posted November 10, 2011 Moderators Share Posted November 10, 2011 Those minor touch ups by LCK on an already cool verse are happening... this is really shaping up nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 10, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah....we really are getting somewhere here.I like hard sailed...that's in.Lines lines was a typo.I actually think I want the sea birds still somewhat involved with the ship as it has been my experience that you'll see more of them hanging around ships that are in the harbor.Furthermore......Just an old sailboat who is stuck in this harborHard sailed by the (my?) captainToo long on the seaWith lines weakenedAnd sailcloth in tattersFrom a hurricane off HatterasI slipped into this bayI mean....I do bring Carolina into play again in the next verse.Is this fun....or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 10, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not only that....but this....Now the seabirds surround meAs I wait in the leeAnd the ships on the soundSpeak to my destinyHeat up that Peluso, son.....Lenny's got some hot lyrics now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not only that....but this.... Now the seabirds surround me As I wait in the lee And the ships on the sound Speak to my destiny Heat up that Peluso, son.....Lenny's got some hot lyrics now!! Yeah! Nice goin'! LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted November 10, 2011 Members Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hey Lenny - when I started playing and singing this myself, I found myself changing a couple of things to make it easier to sing. But also to clarify the picture. I'm not recommending that you use them, because you are doing a re-write anyway, but see if anything resonates. I liked LCK's turn of phrase.Also I, like you stumbled over the syllables of 'the shaking hand', so I changed the line to add another primary element that would be requiring repair. I am an old sailboat, and stuck in a harbourHard sailed by my captainAnd too long on the seaMy planking's bin poundedMy lines have bin weakenedRunning from a hurr'cane, I slipped into this bay I had to check on the word 'lee', and as I suspected, you can be protected or sheltered in the lee of something, but the lee itself is not the protection. Now the seabirds rest with me As I wait in port's lee And the ships passing bySpeak to my destiny I've also written an additional verse that moves on from 'coming out' and is preceded by 'I've come out of dry dock........'The final verse affirms the transformation and being back on the high seas. But your song is complete the way you do it - I just feel I want to have the boat having the experience of being whole again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 11, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Hmmmmm....love to sea that verse.Tracked new vox a while ago......we'll see what sticks to the wall. Just spent an hour carefully automating the new with appropriate parts of the old. This is almost too much fun.Can't even begin to tell you all how much I appreciate this coolaborative energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Would be glad to sully your waters with me thoughts shipmate. But firstly, the credit goes to the perennially windswept and interesting LCK who planted the seed in my mind. He said :'Ah, but to come out of dry dock? To be refitted, and re-rigged? To be able to fly over the open water again, with the wind in her sails, and the crew hard at work on her decks? The sea birds chasing and shrieking at her for a mile or two before giving up? It would be wonderful to feel those things again. That's how a ship would feel about all this'. Lenny - you have a unique semi-spoken style of delivery and your meandering instrumental / vocal conclusion to the arrangement works for you. I can't pull this off, so my delivery is more conventional and needs a release at the end - hence I'm ending it with some energy and lyrics of transformation because it seems to fizzle out otherwise when I do it. My final verse was just a quick dash, and at present, not that good, so I'll put some thought into it and make it good, because it has become important to my alternative arrangement. So I'll certainly share it with you when I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 This is the general idea for the conclusion :Now I'm out of dry dock My sails are unfurled, my rudder is true No longer on keel blocks Heading out to the blue My keel cuts the water, the birds fly alongside New heartwood is swelling And fresh are the crew No longer grounded And glad of adventure Wind in the sails, and my purpose renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 This is the general idea for the conclusion :Now I'm out of dry dock My sails are unfurled, my rudder is trueNo longer on keel blocksHeading out to the blueMy keel cuts the water, the birds fly alongsideNew heartwood is swellingAnd fresh are the crewNo longer groundedAnd glad of adventureWind in the sails, and my purpose renewed. That's really nice work, OGP. I don't know if the new timbers will fit flush with Lenny's woodwork, but it's really nice work all the same. LCK (partially windswept) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 That's really nice work, OGP. I don't know if the new timbers will fit flush with Lenny's woodwork, but it's really nice work all the same.LCK (partially windswept) Thanks - maybe there's a bit of Portsmouth blood left in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 11, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 ......maybe there's a bit of Portsmouth blood left in me. I like where you took it.......a lot. Will we get to hear your arrangement? I'll be tweaking for a day or so and then I'll update the link to this one with a remix that has the verse changes. The retake on the vocals came out much better.......so glad to have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members oldgitplayer Posted November 11, 2011 Members Share Posted November 11, 2011 Thanks Lenny - I'm glad you like it.I'm looking forward to hearing how you've moved the song forward. There's been a fair few winds in its sails. As for hearing my arrangement (or rendition is probably a more accurate term) - I'm not sure that I'm up to it. When I say I'm a poor singer, I mean it. I haven't heard a demo yet on this forum that comes anywhere near as weak as my singing.My comfort zone is composing and writing the stuff - not performing. And I'm pretty new to this writing game as well, so I prefer to build these skills for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ontological Posted November 12, 2011 Members Share Posted November 12, 2011 Sounds awesome Lenny. Great job!:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 12, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2011 Thanks so much Mr. Trotter.I tracked a new version a bit earlier........Coming Out Of Dry DockThis has been a wonderful production collaboration and my sincere thanks to you folks for taking the time to help me with this one. I love the lyric changes......made this song quite special for me.Just an old sailboat who is stuck in this harborHard sailed by my captainAnd too long on the seaWith lines weakenedAnd sail cloth in tattersfrom a hurricane off HatterasI slipped into this bayWhere the wind blows by meOut on the seaAnd the waves in the distanceNo longer call to meThe hand of a master shaped me in the shipyardOnly the finestSuch was my loreWith the lines of a schoonerAnd the power of the wavesWas the pride of the fishing fleet on the Carolina shoreNow seabirds surround meAs I wait in the leeWhile the ships om the soundSpeak to my destinyNow I'm coming out of dry dockMy sails are mended and my rigging is newI've been waiting here in dry dockBut the waiting is throughI'm coming out of dry dockComing out of dry dock'Cause the waiting is throughNow I know I look different but I'm still the sameThough my decks may be varnished And my compasses newI have a new sextantI wear a new nameBut deep in my hold lie the beams of my youthAnd I'm coming out of dry dock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LCK Posted November 12, 2011 Members Share Posted November 12, 2011 Very nicely done, Lenny. Another home run. I love the little "accordion" fillip at the end. LCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Monkey Uncle Posted November 13, 2011 Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 Man, that sounds great, Lenny. I've finally figured out what it is that really gets me about this song. After the first verse, when you sing "where the wind blows by me out on the sea," that melodic twist is better than any chorus hook could ever be. What note in the scale are you hitting on the word "sea?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 I love the little "accordion" fillip at the end. Yeah...thanks. That accordian patch on the old Ensoniq synth didn't sound much like an accordian but it worked in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grace_slick Posted November 13, 2011 Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stickboymusic Posted November 13, 2011 Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 Lenny this is a special song and i must say again your finest song yet. Seriously its so beautiful It may be way past considering changes at this stage but the only line i could suggest is My lines have been weakenedAnd sail cloth in tatters mainly as the line felt it needs a few more words just to keep the flow Its a great great song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LeonardScaper Posted November 13, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 13, 2011 I can't tell you how much that means to me, my friend.........Regarding that particular line......I struggled with grammatical correctness there. I wanted it to read.....With lines weakened and sailcloth in tatters from a hurricane off Hatteras, I slipped into the bay. From a sentence structure standpoint, it still doesn't quite work.I SO much wanted to sing that line exactly as you suggest instead.Hey Grace.....write me a song, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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