Members Heretic Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 I just noticed that Esteban gets some heat here, from sarcastic comments to teasing ones especially in the Acoustic Guitar section. It's as if he is the "Ed Roman" of the acoustics. Does he have any history of fraud or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cldplytkmn Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 search function man... this thread could get interesting real fast... long story made short... overpriced junk sold on HSN to people who don't know better... by a guy who is actually a pretty damn good guitar player, but unfortunately has $$ in his eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WaveRay Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 It's probably just how he decided to market his "system" Crap guitars with a promise to play like a legend on QVC. I wouldn't buy anything from Billy May, either. If it's offered "only through this special TV offer", run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tiger roach Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 If you can't take the heat, don't become an infomercial phenom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theGOOCH Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Are they overpriced? From what I have heard you can get an acoustic electric for about $200 That's about as cheap as it gets. I've never heard or played one, so I can't comment on the quality, but I haven't heard many good things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t60 fan Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 We only hate Estebans that have been set up by Zager with elixirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stophe88 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 go to the user reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Heretic I just noticed that Esteban gets some heat here, from sarcastic comments to teasing ones especially in the Acoustic Guitar section. It's as if he is the "Ed Roman" of the acoustics. Does he have any history of fraud or something? OK, we know you are Esteban. Get back to "sharing your gift of music". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DonK Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Stophe88 go to the user reviews The reviews will entertain you while explaining why Esteban (Stephen Paul, actually, from Pittsburgh) gets so much heat. Esteban: originator of the shoe-polish-on pine fretboard, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heretic Posted July 11, 2006 Author Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Hudman OK, we know you are Esteban. Get back to "sharing your gift of music". No, I'm just a poor guy who was caught wanking by his brother-in-law Busted! Seriously, I just noticed that whenever an "overrated" or POS guitar is mentioned, someone would always put a picture of Esteban so I got curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members theGOOCH Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Heretic No, I'm just a poor guy who was caught wanking by his brother-in-law Busted! Seriously, I just noticed that whenever an "overrated" or POS guitar is mentioned, someone would always put a picture of Esteban so I got curious. I wish I hadn't clicked that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t-harper Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Ok, I may be a guy that got suckered in on HSN to buy a guitar. It may of been the crapiest one out there. And am still waiting to see if it lasts more than 2 months (current length of ownership). One thing I must admit here, He has insipired those few of us to take up a guitar. End of sales add. Beyond that my Esteban guitar is holding up well. Maybe one out of 1,000 that actually does play. His videos are ok. Not thinking about the fact that your trying to teach yourself from a video (not a good idea). (get a teacher if you really want to get the basics down, without creating bad habits in the beginning.) And the fact you get all that stuff cheeper than you can buy a good beginner guitar. Which tends to tell you everything is much cheeper than what it should be for a beginner guitar. I seem to agree with everyone here, even though I have been dupped into a quick purchase. Let me just say this on this thread. He has atleast reached those that wouldn't of picked up a guitar in the first place. (if you really caculate the price of a "good beginner" set-up $400 - $800. With a guitar, amp, videos, gig bag, a few books, guitar stand, extra strings, and chord chart w/frame[frame not inclued]. All being of good quality in the first place.) We may of steped on a first stepping stone that may fall out from under us quickly. But we have taken the first step, and are giving it a shot. Cross our fingers we keep going for years. Maybe what I'm asking for here is don't color us "Dumb" but rather nuture us to growing into a good set up, which we should of purchased in the first place. (not talking about pre-packaged set-up's. But individual pieces that combine into a great group for biginners.) Thanks Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by t-harper Ok, I may be a guy that got suckered in on HSN to buy a guitar. It may of been the crapiest one out there. And am still waiting to see if it lasts more than 2 months (current length of ownership).One thing I must admit here, He has insipired those few of us to take up a guitar. End of sales add. Beyond that my Esteban guitar is holding up well. Maybe one out of 1,000 that actually does play.His videos are ok. Not thinking about the fact that your trying to teach yourself from a video (not a good idea). (get a teacher if you really want to get the basics down, without creating bad habits in the beginning.)And the fact you get all that stuff cheeper than you can buy a good beginner guitar. Which tends to tell you everything is much cheeper than what it should be for a beginner guitar.I seem to agree with everyone here, even though I have been dupped into a quick purchase.Let me just say this on this thread. He has atleast reached those that wouldn't of picked up a guitar in the first place. (if you really caculate the price of a "good beginner" set-up $400 - $800. With a guitar, amp, videos, gig bag, a few books, guitar stand, extra strings, and chord chart w/frame[frame not inclued]. All being of good quality in the first place.)We may of steped on a first stepping stone that may fall out from under us quickly. But we have taken the first step, and are giving it a shot. Cross our fingers we keep going for years.Maybe what I'm asking for here is don't color us "Dumb" but rather nuture us to growing into a good set up, which we should of purchased in the first place. (not talking about pre-packaged set-up's. But individual pieces that combine into a great group for biginners.)ThanksThomas I agree. It's cool that Esteban is getting people into playing the guitar. I wished his guitars were better. I also take issue with the fact that he makes it sound like it's easy to play guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dadgad7 Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Cldplytkmn search function man... this thread could get interesting real fast... long story made short... overpriced junk sold on HSN to people who don't know better... by a guy who is actually a pretty damn good guitar player, but unfortunately has $$ in his eyes... I could not have stated that any better+100 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frets99 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by t60 fan We only hate Estebans that have been set up by Zager with elixirs. :D :D You make a good point. You thought you were making a decent purchase. Understood and prepare to be nurtured forward!!Lesson 1: Get a thick skin.... won't be the last time your judgement will be tested and disputed...... :D But this is a bunch of good people and it's a fun place to discuss guitar stuff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cldplytkmn Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 to heretic- thanks for the reminder of why i avoid open jam... maturity level established... to t-harper... i don't want you to feel like i, or any of us, think you're a sucker... I take issue with the man himself... he knows exactly what he's doing when he misrepresents things... don't get run off, alot of great people here... like frets said, prepare to be nurtured... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Utero Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 He compared his guitar to a Gibson....SAYING IT WAS BETTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kap'n Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Utero He compared his guitar to a Gibson....SAYING IT WAS BETTER Well, if he was talking about my old Gibson Blueridge, he might have a point. Whatta POS that was. Probably the worst acoustic I've ever owned.....and I've owned some real tone turds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 11, 2006 Members Share Posted July 11, 2006 Originally posted by Utero He compared his guitar to a Gibson....SAYING IT WAS BETTER! I thought he compared it to his Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Utero Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Hudman I thought he compared it to his Martin. I am pretty sure it was a gibson, go watch the infomercial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members t-harper Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 I agree with all of you,I went back to my Music Store today, and we talked about the Esteban guitars. They have seen many of them and as of yet, they say, "Yours is the best we have ever seen. And that is giving Esteban lot's of credit." Well my reply to them was, "I got the 1 in 1000 guitar from him." They agreeded... Anyways, thank ya'll for the supportive effort.I agree so far on the infomercials. He is bosting things he isn't promising, be leary of "Informercials" is the rule in my house.I just looked at a Taylor while I was there. To say the least I was impressed. The feel of a good guitar, compaired to what I have is so different.One helping comment to the author of this thread. Look around first, talk to your local Musical Stores. Chat online, do some threads here. Get to know what your looking for from www.musicfriends.com first. Then if you make a choice it will be well informed.There are tons of great people around the guitar bit. Even if you don't like the same music, they are more than willing to help you get your Axe on the right tool.Thanks Ya'll for the help, and I totally agree,Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by theGOOCH Are they overpriced? From what I have heard you can get an acoustic electric for about $200 That's about as cheap as it gets. I've never heard or played one, so I can't comment on the quality, but I haven't heard many good things $200 is pretty expensive for a piece of firewood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Utero I am pretty sure it was a gibson, go watch the infomercial. You better go watch it. His guitar is a Martin copy based on his Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hudman Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Funderbunk $200 is pretty expensive for a piece of firewood.... Dude, firewood with onboard electronics can get pretty expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Funderbunk Posted July 12, 2006 Members Share Posted July 12, 2006 Originally posted by Hudman Dude, firewood with onboard electronics can get pretty expensive. The question is, does it deliver a nice warm sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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