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  • #16
    I hope not to sound incoherent in saying this: The company I most admire and respect is Yamaha. Now, I certainly don't think they make the best guitars of the big name companies. I am now lusting real bad for a good (Fender) strat and I sure would love to own one of the fabulous Gibsons that some of you have picked out of the bunch. I judge Yamaha for the honesty of the product, the dedication that I sense they have to music and musician and the lack of brand-name inflation in spite of all the respectabilty that they actually enjoy. (trying to find a Yamaha-bashing thread here would mean spending a lot of time with the search function).
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    • #17
      I hope not to sound incoherent in saying this: The company I most admire and respect is Yamaha. Now, I certainly don't think they make the best guitars of the big name companies. I am now lusting real bad for a good (Fender) strat and I sure would love to own one of the fabulous Gibsons that some of you have picked out of the bunch. I judge Yamaha for the honesty of the product, the dedication that I sense they have to music and musician and the lack of brand-name inflation in spite of all the respectabilty that they actually enjoy. (trying to find a Yamaha-bashing thread here would mean spending a lot of time with the search function).


      Part of the reason is that no matter where they build instruments, and no matter how low the range, Yamaha maintains superb quality control. The $200 RGX320FZ hanging on the wall next to my desk has as good of fit and finish than the $1500 luthier-built custom bass guitar sitting next to it.

      A lot of that has to do with the built-in expectations of the brand. The Gibson and Fender brands stand for history and heritage as much as anything else; the Yamaha brand stands for quality. To a certain extent, Gibson can afford to piss away quality because it can rest on its laurels, but quality is all Yamaha has.
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      • #18
        Part of the reason is that no matter where they build instruments, and no matter how low the range, Yamaha maintains superb quality control. The $200 RGX320FZ hanging on the wall next to my desk has as good of fit and finish than the $1500 luthier-built custom bass guitar sitting next to it.

        A lot of that has to do with the built-in expectations of the brand. The Gibson and Fender brands stand for history and heritage as much as anything else; the Yamaha brand stands for quality. To a certain extent, Gibson can afford to piss away quality because it can rest on its laurels, but quality is all Yamaha has.


        Well put.
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        • #19
          Great question! I tend to go on my own experiences with the brand in question. However, it is important to always have some perspective. For instance, I have yet to play an Epiphone that sounds even passable. However, I haven't played many of them (out of choice) so I am not going to base my opinion of their entire line of products on my bad experiences.
          Too many people have a bad experience or two with a manufacturer and instantly make broad generalizations and inferences about the product. It is the equivalent of experiencing one rainy day in Arizona and concluding that it must rain every day in Arizona.

          btw I agree about Yamaha, their quality and value are really underrated.
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          • #20
            I really think the problem with most manufacturers is over producing their product to jump on the money band wagon.


            I agree. For the type of products that Gibson wants to make they should be much, much smaller. Most of their similarly priced competitors tend to be small like PRS, Rickenbacker, G&L, etc..

            Essentially Gibson's competetive strategy is not aligned with their internal processes.
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              • #22
                Do you judge a company by its' best stuff...

                I'm actually rather surprised to see the tie-in to Gibson. I mean Gibson is one of the very premier companies in the industry and perhaps the most copied. I think it applies more aptly to a company like Washburn. This is a company that is always unfairly judged by its cheapies IMO, when the US and Custom Shop models (the higher-end imports ain't bad either) are as good as anything I've ever played.
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                • #23
                  csm is having a terrible influence on this forum! He asks a question in his Picard imitation and suddenly I read long paragraphs of prose, well considered arguments, cogent exchanges of opinions that carefully distinguish facts from impressions ... THIS THREAD IS A DISGRACE!!!

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                  All Gibsons are great and have always been, Epis suck, Fenders suck (with the exception of Esquires and the occasional Tele). P90s & Humbuckers rule. Nitro finishes are a must. Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever. Ace Frehley is completely underrated. Blackmore sucks. I never got Jeff Beck
                  .... Pfffff .... There, now I feel much better

                  Having said that, I believe that the top tier of any company's product is an important aspect of the overall image of the company and if the range is well done, then the bottom of the line will benefit from that image. In that sense it is important that Top brands, such as Fender or Gibson do not use the same name for their cheaper products but create separate labels. Personally, as many others have said here, one needs to judge the individual instrument.
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                  • #24
                    When it comes to Gibson, I'd love to own another one, but I just can't afford one...besides I already own all the guitars I'll ever need. Not to mention that I've read about Gibson's quality control issues here and in other forums.

                    Now when it comes to Korg, it comes from experience! I've just had bad luck with that particular company. The "last straw" is their metronome (MA-30) that broke down on my daughter. It doesn't matter that Korg is also the U.S. distributor for Marshall and Vox, I will NOT buy any products from these 3 companies!
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                    • #25
                      ?', on what do you base your reply? Their very best stuff from any point in their history? The one you played last week? Or some sort of generalised average?


                      I can honestly say that I judge based on the ones I've played. I'm not a kid anymore who needs to make his own gear look better by putting down others'.

                      I don't like Gibson because out of the incredible amount I've played, I've never found more than a handful that weren't muddy, heavy atrocities that might be a little bit less hilarious if the price wasn't so ridiculously inflated for what you're getting. I still, to this day, want to find a Gibson to love so terribly.

                      Even as a Fender guy, I'm very skeptical of their quality lately. This is due to an incident involving ordering a Hot Rod '57 Stratocaster and having it be awful. This is mostly MF's fault though, as it was obviously a defective guitar. Fender's choice of bridge pickup was awful on that guitar as well. Though this situation has blemished my opinion of Fender, I still have yet to ever play a poor Fender when I go into a place like GC.

                      I don't really have opinions on many other brands, as I don't play many others, but I can say I've loved the quality on all the Epiphone hollow and semi-hollow guitars I've played. Again though, nothing but crap from their solid guitars. Maybe solidbody Gibson guitars and I just aren't meant to be?
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                      • #26
                        I love Gibsons but I think they have gotten too big for their britches. I have owned a few and I recently bought a custom shop ESP and the quality is way better imo and the price they offer them at is better. Hell I think the high end LTDs are just about as good as Gibbys. My point is that if it wasn't for their history they wouldn't cost so much and they go up every year, it's out of control. I won't buy another one at the prices they want.

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