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  • Why are Fender Reissue amps not "as good" as the old ones?

    It seems thats what most have to say about them. Is the tone really not up to par?
    Good enough for a poke am I right?

  • #2
    different iron, different wiring scheme (PC board versus hand wiring), different materials? they're similar circuits, far as i know, but they lay them out on pc boards and use different 'stuff', basically.

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    • #3
      cosmetically they look the same (on the outside, in the front), but that's where the similarity ends. I've heard they don't sound bad though. the originals were hand wired on tag boards, the RI's are PCB, yuk. the transformers were manufactured better in the old days.
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      • #4
        Only thing I could think of is the transformers had better iron back in the yesteryear

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        • #5
          Transformers and other components have slightly changed year by year. I believe the circuits in many of the reissues are close to the original.

          Oh and pcb doesn't affect tone.
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          • #6
            Transformers and other components have slightly changed year by year. I believe the circuits in many of the reissues are close to the original.

            Oh and pcb doesn't affect tone.


            a cheap, crappy and thin pcb could probably affect tone in some small way... but definitely the longevity of the amp is affected more than anything.

            the answer is this:

            they sound almost the same but corksniffers will nit pick about everything and deem the old ones better because they're older and more expensive (most the time).
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            • #7
              Speakers have a lot to do with it also.
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                • #9
                  Lots of differences. For one thing they aren't point-to-point wired. That makes slight tonal differences due to inductance differences. Nothing major. Not necessarily better but different. Also the components are different in that an old amp has component drift off from spec. Again not necessarily better but different. The new cabs are made from compressed wood fiber and not pine. Some people think the compressed wood fiber is actually better in that it has a more even frequency response.
                  Then there's the different components like the transformers etc. At the end of the day, the reissue amps sound a little different...not exactly better but different I'm pretty happy with my reissue deluxe Reverb.
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                  • #10
                    The only real downside to the pcb is that it can make repairs more difficult. As far as sound is concerned you'll get better bang for your buck if you buy the reissue than the original, since all of the BF fenders get marked way up in price. Unless you find that basement rotting BF amp at a yard sale you'll pay a ton more for an amp that is you probably sounds 99% the same.
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                    • #11
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                      • #12
                        They sound damn good. The ones I've played anyway.

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                        • #13
                          a cheap, crappy and thin pcb could probably affect tone in some small way... but definitely the longevity of the amp is affected more than anything.

                          the answer is this:

                          they sound almost the same but corksniffers will nit pick about everything and deem the old ones better because they're older and more expensive (most the time).


                          I don't think it's corksniffery in this case. if you've used old Fenders and seen their guts, or had them repaired before, there's legit reasons to avoid the new ones.
                          I have a friend who is a Fender amp guru, does bf mods etc. he will not work on pcb amps, because they're a pita. that alone would stop me.
                          lets say you amp falls off the back of a truck or stage etc. a pcb can crack, chasing a crack in a pcb is brutal.
                          also the pots and jacks are pcb mounted, changing them when they fail is a ****************ty job on pcb's.
                          the more i think about it, the more i realize what pieces of corporate **************** Fender is, for making amps that look like the real thing, but are really no better than a made in China pos.
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                          • #14
                            Because they aren't exact replicas. There are cost-cutting measures that are applied and they have an effect on the tone and durability of the amps. Also there is usually an attempt made at some kind of "improvements" whether they be cap values or circuit tweaks/changes or something like that. They end up not being improvements for people who want a replica of the original. That said, I think the reissues are fine amps and the majority of them sound good (even if not exactly like their vintage counterparts). Then again 2 amps of the same model hardly ever sound or function exactly alike anyway.

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                            • #15
                              speakers, speaker break in, tubes, caps, transformers.
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