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  • JVM vs JCM 800

    They be very different sounding beasts? Never played an 800, but have considered off and on trading my 410h for one. Probably just flirting with the thought.
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    The JVM is a beast, if I owned a JVM I wouldn't consider trading it for ****************.
    Originally Posted by Ultrahighgain


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    • #3
      I've owned both. The JVM has a lot more to offer, and can get decently close to sounding like a JCM800. However, it's missing something that the 800 has. After I sold my JVM, I read about some mods that will get you even closer to the 800 in terms of sound and feel. Something to do with less negative feedback. Probably not worth trading unless you aren't happy with the JVM, especially with all the mods for it.
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      • #4
        I've owned both.

        I now have an 800.

        The JVM doesn't sound as present and 'there' as the 800.
        The 800 feels better, doesn't have sponginess engineered into the tone, doesn't have a massive network of circuitry, resistors and capacitors and filters for the guitar signal to travel through etc.

        The 800 is THE modern sounding Marshall to have.
        It sounds very real next to the JVM.

        FWIW, I'd take a DSL over the JVM.

        They feel better to play.

        My favourite production Marshall's in order are

        JCM800
        JTM45
        DSL100
        Bluesbreaker
        1974x
        2061x

        Etc

        The JVM and VM are basically at the bottom of my list.

        In summation:

        An 800 is FAR better than a JVM. Not just in tone, but how the amp responds, feels, plays etc. It's far more real and organic sounding. It doesn't sound like the tones have been engineered into it as they do the JVM. It just sounds and responds like a great classic amp should/does.

        If you are only interested in lots of knobs, buttons, switches, are worried about reverb, absolutely must have 4 channels () need your preamp section to have loads of unusable gain, and like all the filtering sounds that provide you with "real emulations" (oxymoron much) of classic Marshall circuits, then go for it.....

        If you want something that sounds better, feels better, has more of a natural/real tone, is better built, is more reliable, is just as flexible if you have an ounce of savvy, and is just FAAARRR cooler to boot, then get an 800 and thank me later....

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        • #5
          I've owned both.

          I now have an 800.

          The JVM doesn't sound as present and 'there' as the 800.
          The 800 feels better, doesn't have sponginess engineered into the tone, doesn't have a massive network of circuitry, resistors and capacitors and filters for the guitar signal to travel through etc.

          The 800 is THE modern sounding Marshall to have.
          It sounds very real next to the JVM.

          FWIW, I'd take a DSL over the JVM.

          They feel better to play.

          My favourite production Marshall's in order are

          JCM800
          JTM45
          DSL100
          Bluesbreaker
          1974x
          2061x

          Etc

          The JVM and VM are basically at the bottom of my list.

          In summation:

          An 800 is FAR better than a JVM. Not just in tone, but how the amp responds, feels, plays etc. It's far more real and organic sounding. It doesn't sound like the tones have been engineered into it as they do the JVM. It just sounds and responds like a great classic amp should/does.

          If you are only interested in lots of knobs, buttons, switches, are worried about reverb, absolutely must have 4 channels () need your preamp section to have loads of unusable gain, and like all the filtering sounds that provide you with "real emulations" (oxymoron much) of classic Marshall circuits, then go for it.....

          If you want something that sounds better, feels better, has more of a natural/real tone, is better built, is more reliable, is just as flexible if you have an ounce of savvy, and is just FAAARRR cooler to boot, then get an 800 and thank me later....
          Disagreed to all, with VERY minor tweeks and adjustments, the JVM is every bit as good and in most cases better than everything that you mentioned in every respect but like anything, thats subjective..

          After you throw the features in to the mix, the JVM is a no brainer
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          • #6
            Nerine you just sound snobbish there mate, played an 800 and had my JVM side by side with an SLX. I understand what you say about feeling more present but i think that is to do with the overall volume, JVM is better at low volume and fills out when you turn it up. The JVM circuit really isn't that crazy and they have the original tone stack structure for each channel. The JVMs and 800s are built in the same factory, the 800 has the benefit of weeding out all manufacturing issues over so many years. My JVM is solid.

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            • #7
              I'd take any of the 2 channel JCM-800's or a Jubilee over a JVM. I'd rather have just a 2203.
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              • #8
                Disagreed to all, with VERY minor tweeks and adjustments, the JVM is every bit as good and in most cases better than everything that you mentioned in every respect but like anything, thats subjective..

                After you throw the features in to the mix, the JVM is a no brainer


                Maybe if you like the sounds that it produces.
                I don't, which is only my opinion of course, and having one great core sound is much more important to me than having loads of lesser ones.
                I have always got massive arrays of tones out of one guitar and a single channel amp.
                With the inclusion of the fx loop on my 800, it's just as versatile and flexible as a JVM IMO.

                Ok, it doesn't have speaker emulated line outs, midi, modes, reverb, and whatever other bells and whistles it has, but those sorts of things are useless to me. For some they may be important, but I like to keep things clean and simple.
                The unaffected tone, i.e. Wherever the amp is set, A good boost in front, a volume boost in the loop, and roll down the volume for cleans. That's basically four "channels" straight off the bat how I run things.... Clean, OD, higher gain, solo.
                I have also got the added bonus of it sounding like a JCM800 to start with

                I thought you were an avid Axe Fx'er anyway, Kage??

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                • #9
                  The thing I really want to nab from the 800 is the super smooth sounding lead tone that it seems to be highly capable of. I get a pretty gritty one from my JVM. Any mods to help move the JVM in that direction?
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                  • #10
                    JCM800 >>> JVM

                    Proof - Slayer, GNR, AC/DC, Megadeth, RATT and tons of other bands who have played JCM800.

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                    • #11
                      Proof is in the ear of the beholder.

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                      • #12
                        If ur ear doesnt like all the classics that were recorded with JCM 800s then ur ears are not functioning properly.

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                        • #13
                          Nerine you just sound snobbish there mate

                          The JVM circuit really isn't that crazy and they have the original tone stack structure for each channel.

                          The JVMs and 800s are built in the same factory


                          Why? I am fairly critical over what I hear. Remember I just returned a Bogner Ecstasy because I thought it sounded pretty rubbish actually. I know what I like my amps to sound like.

                          Ok, the original tone stack structure. That isn't factoring in the myriad other things that contribute to the overall tone.

                          No offended intended but this means nothing. The amps are constructed/designed very differently.
                          Aren't the pots on the JVM circuit board mounted for a kick off? I know they have a spongy feeling to them if you move them. I'd hate to accidentally break one off...

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                          • #14
                            JCM800 >>> JVM

                            Proof - Slayer, GNR, AC/DC, Megadeth, RATT and tons of other bands who have played JCM800.


                            Megadeth uses the JVM410, fool. Or at the very least, they currently do.

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                            Originally Posted by Ultrahighgain


                            ...and there it is. The mind is no more than a chemical reaction and when life ends conciousness simply ceases to exist.



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                            • #15

                              Aren't the pots on the JVM circuit board mounted for a kick off? I know they have a spongy feeling to them if you move them. I'd hate to accidentally break one off...

                              The older JVM's are that way, they changed that some time ago and the nobs since then are nice and firm, like my...
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