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  • Have you ever or are you willing to work as a session musician for recording and live

    I am creating a list of questions for musicians that I work with on a daily basis, who want to start generating some real income.



    This question features as top of my list.



    Would you consider it?
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    How much do I have to pay up front, for this chance to "start generating some real income"?

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      I've actively supported a female singer/songwriter as a backing (live) musician, and also recorded in the studio with her as a session guy. It's hard to apply a generic template to independent / for-hire musicians, as there's a huge variety in pay structure, involvement, co-writing, and performance/writing credits. To give a little more info- I was involved to the point of helping write/arrange, including all my own parts, was given credits on the album, as well as a royalty structure, but not publishing rights. Played gigs for equal share, which sometimes was $0, but other times fairly lucrative, and did not get paid for weekly rehearsals, since I obviously stood to gain by riding coat-tails.



      Some guys are strictly session guys who charge per song, others charge by the hour. Most for-hire performance musicians have a flat rate for a gig, regardless of what the gig itself pays. I once played a for-hire gig for $100 (2 sets), where the band itself wasn't paid anything but "exposure". Sucks for them
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        Quote Originally Posted by rangefinder
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        How much do I have to pay up front, for this chance to "start generating some real income"?




        Nothing at all. I give advice to musicians, I'm nice like that
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          Quote Originally Posted by Kramerguy
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          I've actively supported a female singer/songwriter as a backing (live) musician, and also recorded in the studio with her as a session guy. It's hard to apply a generic template to independent / for-hire musicians, as there's a huge variety in pay structure, involvement, co-writing, and performance/writing credits. To give a little more info- I was involved to the point of helping write/arrange, including all my own parts, was given credits on the album, as well as a royalty structure, but not publishing rights. Played gigs for equal share, which sometimes was $0, but other times fairly lucrative, and did not get paid for weekly rehearsals, since I obviously stood to gain by riding coat-tails.



          Some guys are strictly session guys who charge per song, others charge by the hour. Most for-hire performance musicians have a flat rate for a gig, regardless of what the gig itself pays. I once played a for-hire gig for $100 (2 sets), where the band itself wasn't paid anything but "exposure". Sucks for them




          Thanks for the awesome reply.



          Do you think that this is an attitude you will get with age, because at first you may think...



          I am in a band, it would be selling out to put myself out there?



          What would the other band members think should you start putting yourself out for hire, as well as working with your own band?



          Or are these two different questions entirely?
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          • #6
            Q: Have you ever or are you willing to work as a session musician for recording and live ?



            A: sure. why not? its like playing covers.
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              Quote Originally Posted by matthewearly84
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              Thanks for the awesome reply.



              Do you think that this is an attitude you will get with age, because at first you may think...



              I am in a band, it would be selling out to put myself out there?



              What would the other band members think should you start putting yourself out for hire, as well as working with your own band?



              Or are these two different questions entirely?




              ....

              if ur bandmates get pissed, eff em. its a JOB. tell them u dont like where they work! lol.
              check out my stuff http://youtu.be/Buya2j06WwURead your Bible, son. Genesis 6:6, Isiah 55:8, John 14:6

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                Quote Originally Posted by frankthomson
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                Q: Have you ever or are you willing to work as a session musician for recording and live ?



                A: sure. why not? its like playing covers.




                Its all theoretical and hypothetical at the moment, but thanks for your opinions
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                  Quote Originally Posted by matthewearly84
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                  I am creating a list of questions for musicians that I work with on a daily basis, who want to start generating some real income.



                  This question features as top of my list.

                  Have you ever or are you willing to work as a session musician for recording and live









                  Would you consider it?




                  Yes, but these are really two different questions when you get down to it. Studio work is not the same as live backing work. Having done both situations, they don't necessarily attract the same players, either. As you are designing a survey (and having done that before as well) I suggest rephrasing these into two separate questions.
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                    Quote Originally Posted by matthewearly84
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                    Nothing at all. I give advice to musicians, I'm nice like that




                    This is gonna be snarky, but hopefully you won't take it in a mean-spirited way (I'm trying to be helpful...):



                    if you don't already have real strong answers to the questions you're asking, then you might not be helping folks by giving them advice...
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                      Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowbob
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                      If you don't already have real strong answers to the questions you're asking, then you might not be helping folks by giving them advice...




                      I know what you are trying to say The thing is in the past, I have just given advice about where to play, how to approach promoters etc... Nothing in depth before.



                      Myself and an old friend have a number of contacts, who are musicians, but don't really help themselves that much and expect alot from just being able to pick up an instrument.



                      We want to see how motivated these people actually are when they request for our help.



                      Does that make sense?
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                        Quote Originally Posted by daddymack
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                        Yes, but these are really two different questions when you get down to it. Studio work is not the same as live backing work. Having done both situations, they don't necessarily attract the same players, either. As you are designing a survey (and having done that before as well) I suggest rephrasing these into two separate questions.




                        I see your point, and I agree.



                        This isn't really a survey, as I would be literally asking the questions, not reeling one after the other (such as a non-dependable survey). So if they were to say yay or ney, I could then go in further, but you are right... they are totally different arenas so to speak, so I shall split it into two questions.



                        Thanks
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                        • #13
                          I am currently "hired gun" for a local female artist and I've done studio work in the past for both an hourly rate as well as a per song rate.



                          The main thing you have to remember as a hired gun is that you basically have no say in the band as far as what songs you play and how you play your part. This gal had her songs recorded by someone else in the studio and they want them played as-is with no artistic license and the covers we play they want played as close to the original as possible. At first during a live show she would announce who we the hired guns are but she's been getting away from all that and nomatter how much she says we are equals I keep hearing about "knowing my role." Hopefully other artists are better but you have to remember you're there to make them sound good and you usually wont get credit for anything you do....

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                            Quote Originally Posted by Bim1959
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                            I am currently "hired gun" for a local female artist and I've done studio work in the past for both an hourly rate as well as a per song rate.



                            The main thing you have to remember as a hired gun is that you basically have no say in the band as far as what songs you play and how you play your part. This gal had her songs recorded by someone else in the studio and they want them played as-is with no artistic license and the covers we play they want played as close to the original as possible. At first during a live show she would announce who we the hired guns are but she's been getting away from all that and nomatter how much she says we are equals I keep hearing about "knowing my role." Hopefully other artists are better but you have to remember you're there to make them sound good and you usually wont get credit for anything you do....




                            WOW! It sounds like you're working with Buddy Rich



                            Thanks for your input and insight into what it's perhaps like to work as a hired gun.



                            Its great to have perspective.
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                            • #15
                              right now i would work for free because it could really give me some experience.

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