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  • #16
    Originally posted by Neverthere
    Hi Mike, when is konnekt 8 hitting the states? I have one on order but it seems to keep getting delayed.


    They are shipping, but just started shipping. Send me a PM with your dealer's name and I'll check into it for you.

    -Mike Martin
    TC|US
    -Mike Martin
    Casio America, Inc.

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    • #17
      <<My Konnekt 24 is getting very hot, very quickly, even with only playback in winamp...

      I'm close to cook an egg on it ... :/>>


      Hmmm...my doesn't seem all that hot, definitely warm though. I couldn't cook an egg on it, but I could keep toast warm

      Maybe that's one reason for the wraparound aluminum -- it serves as a heat sink.
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      • #18
        Hey Craig,

        First of all, as a first time poster, a big thanks for all your contributions to pro audio for the small studio over the years. I've been reading your articles for quite some time.

        I know this is very early in the review, but I'd be very interested in detailed comments about the preamps. I'm in the market for a new interface and that is very important to me. (I would be getting the Konnekt 8 but it seems the preamps are identical to the 24d.)

        If you've heard any of the Focusrite Saffire series, I'd be interested in hearing how the Konnekt pres compare.

        Thanks. Looking forward to the review!


        P.S - A note to T.C.: You Konnekt webpages/marketing materials use so many acronyms, etc. (MINT, IMPACT, etc.) that it sets off the too good to be true radar. Just an opinion.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jacoustic

          P.S - A note to T.C.: You Konnekt webpages/marketing materials use so many acronyms, etc. (MINT, IMPACT, etc.) that it sets off the too good to be true radar. Just an opinion.


          Jacoustic,
          Thanks for the note. TC Electronic has developed some remarkable technlogy over the years. Konnekt encompasses the latest of these efforts including technlogy from award winning products like System 6000, Dynaudio AIR and PowerCore. I suspect that there are many people shopping for an audio interface that may not know anything about TC Electronic's history or what products like the System 6000 even are. This might make me skeptical too! I assure you that with Konnekt, its the first time that this proven technology has been available anywhere near this price range.

          As an example MINT found in the Fabrik effects is an incredibly unique way of working with effects. I believe that the MINT interface allows a user to focus on getting the right sound quickly and easily rather than getting lost tweaking countless knobs. Its an easy way for someone that has never used a compressor to get a good sound yet it has all the control and sound quality an experienced user would expect too. I'm sure Craig address your concerns as he continues through the review but I believe the quality of Konnekt will speak for itself and that this isn't just marketing hype.

          Take care,

          Mike Martin
          TC|US
          -Mike Martin
          Casio America, Inc.

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          • #20
            As someone who doesn't really like acronyms either, I must say the MINT thing is pretty cool...and yes, we will be getting into that as the review goes on.

            As to preamps, I'm also doing a Pro Review of the PreSonus DigiMAX FS, which (short form) has inputs for 8 mics and sends these out over an ADAT light pipe connection. For more details, check out the DigiMAX FS Pro Review.

            Anyway, Mike Martin made a comment in the DigiMAX FS review about how it would make a good expander module for the Konnekt 24D if people wanted more than the K24D's two mic pre inputs. So having both units in front of me, it seemed like a good idea to compare the mic pres in the two devices. I had already come up with a comparison methodology as I had compared the mic pres in the DigiMAX FS with those of the E-Mu 1820, so I just applied that to comparing the DigiMAX FS and Konnekt 24D.

            Now, before I go on, I want to express my own personal biases regarding mic preamps so you know where I'm coming from. To save time, I'll just cut and paste from the same rant in the DigiMAX FS review.

            I believe there are basically three types of mic pres in this world:

            * Cheapo pres. This is what you find in budget gear. They tend to be somewhat harsher and don't feel as "flat," but even cheap pres aren't all that awful these days. We won't even consider the pres you find in consumer sound cards and such.

            * Middle-class "designer" pres. These are what you find in better quality mid-class gear, like the Mackie Onyx preamps, those in the 1820m, and the PreSonus. These are basically preamps that people would have killed for back in the 70s, when for this kind of price you usually ended up buying a white noise generator.

            * Big-bucks "designer" pres. A good frame of reference here is the PreSonus ADL 600, or products from Manley, Demeter, etc. You don't just buy these because they're accurate, you buy them because they have a certain "character" that enhances the source.


            Fact is, mic pre technology has progressed dramatically over the past decade or two. All companies making serious products have raised the bar; past a certain fairly low price threshold, you'll get a quality preamp without the "wooliness" or noise you heard from preamps of a similar price only a few years ago.

            So while you may hear some quantitative differences between this new generation of "upper middle class" preamps, you won't hear many qualitative ones. After recording several tracks alternating betwen the E-Mu 1820m, Konnekt 24D, and DigiMAX FS, the only tracks where I could pick out a consistent difference was with those recorded through the 1820m, as they had just a hint of extra midrange (this was verified through spectrum analysis). And even then, I wouldn't say it sounded "worse" or "better," just "different" -- and this was something I noticed only with dynamic mics, not anything active, so I suspect we're looking at a mic-meets-impedance effect.

            Now, to get to your question, how do the K24D's preamps sound compared to the Focusrite Saffire? And the answer is I don't have a Saffire here, so I can't do a direct comparison. But I'd almost be willing to bet that given that all these devices are in the same approximate price universe and use relatively similar technology (e.g., they're not using tubes), there's not going to be a huge difference. So in a way, when all these various companies talk about how they have great mic pres, they're all telling the truth. The technology really has gotten that good these days.
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            • #21
              Okay, let's talk about expanding the K24D with the DigiMAX FS, which is a typical "thingie with ADAT out and ADAT in" device.

              There are some subtleties to how sync works with the K24D. There are actually two sync settings in the K24D control panel, one when it's working in stand-alone mode (found in the setup page), the other for when it's part of a system (which of course is the case when using it with an external ADAT device like the DigiMAX FS). I wanted to try both synching the DigiMAX FS to the K24D and vice-versa, so I scooted over to the System Settings page to edit the system clock settings. Click on the attachment to see the applet's System Settings page.

              Note that this page is also where you set the latency (in this case, it's the default of 256 samples, but options are all the common "binary" values between 64 and 8192 samples). As to the system clock settings, you can see that the sync source is set to ADAT (other choices are Internal, Coaxial SPDIF, and Optical SPDIF), and the sample rate to 44.1kHz -- although the applet is reporting that the current sample rate being received from the DigiMAX FS is 44.082kHz.
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              • #22
                Connecting up the DigiMAX FS also showed off the "intelligent" aspect of the K24D mixer applet, as four stereo ADAT channels appeared, with meters, send, pan, solo, mute, etc. Click on the attachment to see how the mixer graphic changed with the ADAT-compatible device connected.

                I wanted to see what would happen if I deliberately misset the DigiMAX FS, so I set it to external clock while keeping the K24D set to Interal. The DigiMAX FS's four sample LEDs "chase" so it's kind of hard to miss that there's a problem. At the K24D end of things, in the System Settings page the "External Lock" status turns red and says "No Reference" if you either change the sync relationship or sample rate at the DigiMAX FS.

                Next, I set the K24D sync source to "Internal" without changing the DigiMAX FS to "External sync." A warning symbol (exclamation mark) showed up next to the ADAT inputs in the K24D ADAT channels, but audio still made it from the DigiMAX FS to the K24D, showed up in the meters, and sounded just fine. I must admit this mystified me; could it be that because both use the JetPLL technology that the clocks were so close they appeared to be synched, even if they weren't? And that if I waited long enough, eventually there would be enough drift to create a pop or other artifact? Maybe someone from PreSonus or TC could weigh on in this, because it always seems strange when something works when it supposedly shouldn't be working.

                I then set the DigiMAX FS to External ADAT sync. The little warnings went away, and all was happy in sync-land. Still, I'm curious how I could get away with the mic sounding just fine going into the Konnekt 24D even though in theory, there was a sync problem and the K24D put up a clear graphic warning that things weren't as they should be.

                Another surprise is that doing all these nasty clock things produced no clicks, pops, or "tearing" in the sound. I'm not sure if the K24D or the DigiMAX FS gets the credit for being well-behaved (I had the same experience when using the DigiMAX FS with the E-Mu 1820), but in case, it's nice to know I could be really careless with these settings and not have to worry about blowing out my eardrums or monitors.
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                • #23
                  Bottom line is that the DigiMAX FS worked just fine as an expansion module. I also tried sample rates up to 96kHz at both ends -- no problem. However, I could not figure out how to get the Fabrik C processor into the ADAT signal path -- and yes, I looked at the manual! I get the impression that the Fabrik C processors work with inputs 1 and 2, or with your computer's host as an insert, and that's it. Mike -- am I missing something? Is this because they need to work with the mono inputs of the K24D, while the ADAT ins are set up as four stereo pairs?

                  I also wondered if there might be sonic differences between the K24D pres and the DigiMAX FS pres, but the differences are actually rather minimal to my ears. If you want to see a more detailed comparison of the K24D and DigiMAX FS preamps, click here and go down 14 posts. There's also a spectral analysis of a miked signal going through the two pres.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Anderton
                    However, I could not figure out how to get the Fabrik C processor into the ADAT signal path -- and yes, I looked at the manual! I get the impression that the Fabrik C processors work with inputs 1 and 2, or with your computer's host as an insert, and that's it. Mike -- am I missing something? Is this because they need to work with the mono inputs of the K24D, while the ADAT ins are set up as four stereo pairs?


                    Craig,
                    Fabrik C is fixed on inputs 1 and 2 or as a send/return from the DAW. I've attached a signal flow diagram from page 54 of the manual but I agree this should be more clear.

                    -Mike Martin
                    TC|US
                    -Mike Martin
                    Casio America, Inc.

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                    • #25
                      Craig (and probably Mike) -

                      Over here on the TCElectronic website they have this bit of wisdom:

                      * We recommend running Konnekts on a dedicated Firewire bus.
                      If you computer has one or more Firewire connections on the chassis they will typically run on the same Firewire bus. You may connect the Konnekt to one of these. If you intend to run more Firewire devices simultaneously, such as e.g. an external hard drive, we recommend running this device on a separate bus.This would typically be on an installed Firewire PCI card. Note that such a Firewire PCI card typically has 3 ports but these also operate on a single bus.


                      I would have every intention of using a firewire i/o (especially a third generation device like DICE II) with a laptop and an external firewire drive just on general cranky principles. Is it a bottleneck? Is it a new driver issue? Is it overcaution or weaseling? Can we get a clarification of this?

                      Pat

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                      • #26
                        <<Fabrik C is fixed on inputs 1 and 2 or as a send/return from the DAW. I've attached a signal flow diagram from page 54 of the manual but I agree this should be more clear.>>

                        Actually it was clear from the manual, but you know me -- always thinking there's a workaround of some type
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by spokenward
                          Craig (and probably Mike) -


                          I would have every intention of using a firewire i/o (especially a third generation device like DICE II) with a laptop and an external firewire drive just on general cranky principles. Is it a bottleneck? Is it a new driver issue? Is it overcaution or weaseling? Can we get a clarification of this?

                          Pat


                          Pat,
                          I'm using Konnekt with a Glyph drive attached without problems. From a support standpoint its difficult to guarantee that ALL drives would work but it would vary from device to device.

                          -Mike Martin
                          TC|US
                          -Mike Martin
                          Casio America, Inc.

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                          • #28
                            <<I would have every intention of using a firewire i/o (especially a third generation device like DICE II) with a laptop and an external firewire drive just on general cranky principles. Is it a bottleneck? Is it a new driver issue? Is it overcaution or weaseling? Can we get a clarification of this?>>

                            I believe this is standard operating procedure for all FireWire devices, not just Konnekt. For example, I noticed that if I tried to pull video off my Firewire camcorder while a Firewire interface was connected, I'd get dropped frames unless I bumped the Capture app to high priority using the task manager.

                            Also, I believe that Firewire buses are inherently kinda noisy. Based on cranking up the mic pres in the Konnekt I get the impression TC has been pretty good about keeping noise out of the unit, but I would assume that data transfers to a hard drive would put just that much more "stuff" on the Firewire line.

                            This is speculation, though, maybe Mike has the real story.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mike Martin
                              Pat,
                              I'm using Konnekt with a Glyph drive attached without problems. From a support standpoint its difficult to guarantee that ALL drives would work but it would vary from device to device.

                              -Mike Martin
                              TC|US


                              thanks! That's good to hear. Adding another firewire via pcmcia or ExpressCard is probably just as likely to raise bus or irq demons.

                              All my externals are Oxford911 devices which are pretty well-behaved. Is there a preference for Texas Instruments or Via internals?

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                              • #30
                                I'll defer to the experts, but I've always had good luck with the TI chipsets.
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