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  • #16
    not that uncommon - personally, I'd advise valuing pretty much ANYTHING more than on my opinion

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    • #17
      wait until you are fifty.

      starting a band is way easier after midlife crisis.


      this is why I love this man...hmmmmm
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      • #18
        I have always maintained that talent runs rampant on SSS.
        The best way to critique music is to play it in a background mode...then listen to the reactionary comments...

        Case in point;
        week before Christmas 2008, family members chatting in the den, Ernest Buckleys album playing in the background...my wife's sister;
        'Who's that...he's good!"

        Summer BBQ 2009 Cooter Brown's Blues endeavor that he did on a whim...
        my niece, all of 19, shakin' her hips, listening, 'Uncle Luke...that can't be a white boy singing like that?!'

        Peeps arriving for the Super Bowl game tonight at my house...'Barmy Army' playing by Salty in the background...
        'Luke, is that one of your new tunes?
        I wish

        Singer/Songwriters rule.. my 'Day in the Sun '?
        co-wrote two top forty hits when I had just turned 17 years of age...I was a member of a garage band that a local radio DJ decided we were destined for bigger things...our songs were fueled by teenaged pimply faced angst.
        We didn't record them but our MGR sold them to a rival North Jersey band...he cut a good deal,
        I wrote songs like I wrote poetry, and in my journal. personal musings ...I Never wanted to be a recording artist,
        I wanted to go to college like my dad, maybe write a short story like Steinbeck, but always, always wanted to continue to write and occasionally perform live music.
        Enter a Tascam 4 track porto studio and I was in my glory....(dating myself)
        I can do the bass, vocals, guitars, drums.... all by myself????
        Holy Jeezuz!
        Now I am an official one man band!!
        Like Ernest said, I can call the ones I need to help me...and I more than often did...but to have complete control of your own creation is just an amazing feeling.

        I still love the once a month, (or less), Sunday afternoon live gigs in New Hope, PA, with my long time buds on bass and drums...but my humble studio is my solace and comfort zone these days.
        In the Kingdom of the Blind, the One-eyed Man is King.

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        • #19
          Well I'm gonna provide a completely opposite perspective to what Ernest said: namely I can't think of anything more boring than playing music without a band. I don't get the one-man band thing at all, and neither am I interested in playing with a bunch of hired guns (although I don't mind adding a hired gun or two to our basic 3-piece lineup for special occasions). I really thrive on the constant interplay between the same group of people, and the arrangement ideas they bring to the table which will likely be different (and in many cases, better) than what I would've come up with on my own. The songs really grow organically when you play them out a lot with the same band, too. It's great to get out and play a new song live and see what works about the arrangement and what doesn't, and maybe fine tune it from there.

          Of course, if you're playing with musicians who aren't that great or are a real PITA to deal with as people, then it's hard to appreciate the benefits of being in a band. But if you can find people you really respect to work with, there's nothing like it.

          As for being in a band in your 40s - well, I'm 46 and my band (who are all basically the same age) has been at it for 8 years, so I reckon I know a few things about that. There are benefits and drawbacks to getting involved with a band at this age. The drawbacks are that it can be tough to meet people to play with (but sounds like you've already got that covered), and that people our age tend to have more responsibilities and thus less time and energy to devote to the band. Some people's chops and creativity may suffer because of this.

          The upside is 1) people are more mature and you don't usually have so much angst and drama. 2) Most people don't think they're going to become rock stars at 45 so you're more likely to find people who have the same goals as you do, which is a BIG PLUS. 3) People in our age group usually have a decent income and therefore can afford decent gear, practice space, studio time, etc. 4) People have often realized by this age that playing a bunch of noodly solos and complex stuff doesn't really impress audiences, and have learned to play to the song, manage their stage volume and things like that. 5) People our age learned how to sing before there was Autotune.

          Frankly I enjoy this band a lot more than I enjoyed the bands I had when I was younger, for all the above reasons. I also feel like there's really nothing I can throw at these guys that they wouldn't be able to do or wouldn't want to do. So, I say if you've found some folks you like and respect, you've got most of the battle won, even though there will still be some obstacles forming a band at this time of your life. But I reckon there are obstacles no matter what you do that is worthwhile.

          Good luck with it and have fun!
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          • #20
            Well I'm gonna provide a completely opposite perspective to what Ernest said: namely I can't think of anything more boring than playing music without a band. I don't get the one-man band thing at all, and neither am I interested in playing with a bunch of hired guns (although I don't mind adding a hired gun or two to our basic 3-piece lineup for special occasions). I really thrive on the constant interplay between the same group of people, and the arrangement ideas they bring to the table which will likely be different (and in many cases, better) than what I would've come up with on my own. The songs really grow organically when you play them out a lot with the same band, too. It's great to get out and play a new song live and see what works about the arrangement and what doesn't, and maybe fine tune it from there.

            Of course, if you're playing with musicians who aren't that great or are a real PITA to deal with as people, then it's hard to appreciate the benefits of being in a band. But if you can find people you really respect to work with, there's nothing like it.

            As for being in a band in your 40s - well, I'm 46 and my band (who are all basically the same age) has been at it for 8 years, so I reckon I know a few things about that. There are benefits and drawbacks to getting involved with a band at this age. The drawbacks are that it can be tough to meet people to play with (but sounds like you've already got that covered), and that people our age tend to have more responsibilities and thus less time and energy to devote to the band. Some people's chops and creativity may suffer because of this.

            The upside is 1) people are more mature and you don't usually have so much angst and drama. 2) Most people don't think they're going to become rock stars at 45 so you're more likely to find people who have the same goals as you do, which is a BIG PLUS. 3) People in our age group usually have a decent income and therefore can afford decent gear, practice space, studio time, etc. 4) People have often realized by this age that playing a bunch of noodly solos and complex stuff doesn't really impress audiences, and have learned to play to the song, manage their stage volume and things like that. 5) People our age learned how to sing before there was Autotune.

            Frankly I enjoy this band a lot more than I enjoyed the bands I had when I was younger, for all the above reasons. I also feel like there's really nothing I can throw at these guys that they wouldn't be able to do or wouldn't want to do. So, I say if you've found some folks you like and respect, you've got most of the battle won, even though there will still be some obstacles forming a band at this time of your life. But I reckon there are obstacles no matter what you do that is worthwhile.

            Good luck with it and have fun!


            My egos too big to ever admit anyone besides myself would have such great ideas as...uh... myself.

            Seriously, all kidding aside, I hardly perform out but if I did so, say once a week, I would have to have a band. Considering I play out maybe 1 to 2 a year, it doesn`t pay to have a band.

            With that said, any group of people that can work together as equals for an extended period of time with success, truly deserves to be in the R&R Hall of Fame just for that achievement.

            My songs do take on a different tone when I play with others but whether they are better or not... that depends. I have had people tell me to stay solo. Others enjoy "the band". To me, its just nice to know that someone is enjoying it. Lee, I think it really depends on the songwriter you are. I used to write with just myself in mind and I think thats why people comment the way they do, those songs do sound pretty good alone. The last few years, I`ve been writing with a band in mind but also knowing, I should make the song work as a soloist. Its a bit tricky at times.

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            • #21
              Anyone else start a band in their 40s? By the way, the idea for this thread came from the excellent Mr. Rasputin. Cheers, Ras



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              • #22
                I'm 46


                You don't look a day over 30, Lee
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                • #23
                  Ernest-stick to your guns-besides bran and regularity-your opinion is one of the few things that are unique to you.

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                  • #24
                    We wishes yer well, matey.


                    Thanks, Ras

                    I have a confession to make. Getting this band set up has been ridiculously easy! . Thing is, Wayne (singer/guitarist) and Dave (drummer/vocalist) had already been practising for about 10 months before I joined. I used to be in a band with said two gentlemen and another bloke in the early 2000s, but after the band split we lost touch

                    Then along came Facebook and lo and behold, we found each other again. The guys were looking for a bassist and I had nothing better to do, so I agreed to join them. I had to learn 40 songs in double-quick time. To my surprise I found that bass-playing felt quite natural to me (I'd already played bass on my songs, of course, but being 'a bassist' in a band is another kettle of fish)

                    So there you have it. So far it's been easy. What a fraud I am! Our first gig is on the 18th Feb. Maybe it'll become less easy as we get into gigging. I dunno. It'll be an adventure, I'm sure.....
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                    • #25

                      Seriously, all kidding aside, I hardly perform out but if I did so, say once a week, I would have to have a band. Considering I play out maybe 1 to 2 a year, it doesn`t pay to have a band.


                      Yeah, it really depends what your priorities are... to me, I don't see the point of music if not to play live and interact with other musicians, both onstage and in the studio. My songwriting is nearly always geared toward that, although frankly I don't have a lot of control over my songwriting anyway - I just write whatever comes out.
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                      • #26
                        I manage to get together with my old buddies Four Eyes a couple times a year and play a couple gigs. Later this month we'll do International Pop Overthrow festival in San Diego.

                        I'm the baby at 50. The nice thing... this morning I open my email. Everyone confirmed rehearsal on the 15th at 6pm at my studio. Done deal. Nobody's not showing up cause of a drug deal gone bad. Or showing up drunk. Or with thier SO. Get in, work the tunes for 2 hours... see you next week at the gig.

                        It's quick, easy, friendly, enjoyable. Like music should be.
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                        • #27
                          ...I no longer have the urge to write songs. It's been about a year since I wrote my last one, and to be honest I don't miss writing songs at all. I've written all the songs I'm going to write, I reckon...


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                          • #28


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                            storm - album
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                            • #29
                              I'd defnitely love to get a band together but I've been unable to do so 'cos my day job gets in the way of things like regular rehearsals and such.

                              I do miss having a band - nothing quite compares to it. But being solo means I can rehearse when I want to, I can change the structure of a song in any way I please whenever the mood takes me - including during a performance of it - and I don't have to deal with all the politics of multiple egos and hidden agendas etc.

                              Having said all that, I'd still take the band option if I could though.

                              PS I'm not 40 any more - where'd the time go?
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                              • #30
                                Yeah, it really depends what your priorities are... to me, I don't see the point of music if not to play live and interact with other musicians, both onstage and in the studio. My songwriting is nearly always geared toward that, although frankly I don't have a lot of control over my songwriting anyway - I just write whatever comes out.


                                Well, I`ve been accused of being too critical about my songs... a single word, a single note, a chord, harmony, etc... can prolong a song from completion for years... I actually agree with the critique but I can`t help myself.

                                I would rather release 10 songs to the public that meet my own standards than put out 50 that are so so...

                                It can get out of hand. The funny thing is, I was listening to my first record the other day and I actually heard something my drummer through in as ear candy that he never asked me to approve. Bastard!

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