Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yeah, but I'm working from 3D models, not by hand. For CNC, it doesn't matter which way you go, but I figured getting all the frets radiused correctly would be a PITA.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted July 14, 2011 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2011 but I figured getting all the frets radiused correctly would be a PITA.. Indeed that is the complication in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members metallica_00 Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 I believe Paul Reed Smith swears by having that extra mass. It has more to do with tone than structural integrity. Same goes for fat necks which many player prefer tonally. Yeah, so I was just poking around on the PRS forums. Apparently they moved to the bigger heel to reduce dead spots and improve tone in the upper portion of the neck. Its not a structural thing. So Raven, the thing you will probably need to figure out- is it the total amount of mass in the neck that matters, or where that mass is placed? If it's the placement that matters, the combination of no heel and the neck meeting the body fairly high up the board might be something to watch out for tonally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm not overly stressed about it. My Carvin DC127 has a similar construction (all neck, right up to the body, no extra "tone chunks") and it does a fine job. Besides, having mass near the 24th fret on this neck is NOT a problem at all. Trust me on that.. You just can't see it =) Besides, I'm not convinced the PRS chunk isn't structural. Marketing pukes will spin things whatever way they need to make the lemmings line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ralph onion Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Beautiful! Just please dont put a {censored}ed up headstock on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted July 14, 2011 Moderators Share Posted July 14, 2011 Time for a headstock question!Isn't there some sort of EVH/Musicman patent/trademark/copyright on a 4+2 headstock? I could use details on that right about now. Pretty conclusive http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/38870-4-2-headstock-copyright.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Help!I'maRock! Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 I'm not overly stressed about it. My Carvin DC127 has a similar construction (all neck, right up to the body, no extra "tone chunks") and it does a fine job. Besides, having mass near the 24th fret on this neck is NOT a problem at all. Trust me on that.. You just can't see it =)Besides, I'm not convinced the PRS chunk isn't structural. Marketing pukes will spin things whatever way they need to make the lemmings line up. of course it's structural. if it "removes dead spots" then it's structural. without it, the guitar would play like {censored}. fortunately i don't have this problem on my CU24. the dead spots only appeared when they moved the neck placement back to accommodate 22 frets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Pretty conclusivehttp://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-guitars/38870-4-2-headstock-copyright.html OK, but do they own 2+4? I don't see how they can own the entire concept of an asymmetrical tuner count.. I know I've seen Agile, Ibanez and others using a 4+3 on a 7 string before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Beautiful! Just please dont put a {censored}ed up headstock on it!I'm leaning towards a very traditional looking 3+3 right now..Something along these lines:... but shifted, so it isn't perfectly symmetrical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LesPaulFetish Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 You mean the fret rods thats TK Instrumnets use, it's actually 5/32" SS bar stock http://www.tkinstruments.com/id17.htmYou showed one of those in a thread a while back, all I can say is DAMNNNN and they aren't as much as I would've thought. I gotta look into that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Update: I have the neckjoint printing out right now. I'll have a 3D model of the neck joint, including the top, back and neck (complete with frets), in my hands tomorrow morning. Yeah, I'm excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members timmay8612 Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Doesnt the Holdsworth sig have 4+2 headstock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 FWIW, I use the EBMM headstock on my custom builds these days. exact copies. thing is, i don't sell custom guitars anymore. Only make them for myself, so the legality behind it means nothing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Doesnt the Holdsworth sig have 4+2 headstock? Nope, it's a 2+4. Hey Atrox, any chance at a fret dressing tutorial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Nope, it's a 2+4.Hey Atrox, any chance at a fret dressing tutorial? Doing those sausage frets is a huge time consuming pain in the ass. I find angling them at slightly less that 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Doing those sausage frets is a huge time consuming pain in the ass. I find angling them at slightly less that 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 Maybe, but I like the visual. Right now I'm thinking either a bench grinder or a Dremel. you don't need to put that much "oooomph" into it. A triangle file, some artistic ability, the knowledge to know when to stop and some micromesh is all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members meandi Posted July 14, 2011 Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 you don't need to put that much "oooomph" into it. A triangle file, some artistic ability, the knowledge to know when to stop and some micromesh is all you need. And, the patience to not rush it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 14, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 14, 2011 you don't need to put that much "oooomph" into it. A triangle file, some artistic ability, the knowledge to know when to stop and some micromesh is all you need. Oh, did I mention SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted July 15, 2011 Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 Oh, did I mention SS? Above still applies. SS tools fine with a triangle file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 My nightly update.. Got a lot done, and I think I have the right theme for the f-holes finally. The name of this guitar is The Willow, which is my daughter's favorite tree, so I went with willow fronds. Fits the organic/woody vibe I'm going for. Still need to shape them, but I kind of dig it.. The neck joint is a LOT more stable now and looks the best it has so far. It's got a ripple that I might need to work out, but I'm not sure yet. I'll know tomorrow morning when the print comes out. Can't wait to see that. I have a simple bridge on it, mostly to fill the space. I don't dig it much yet. Probably get it fleshed out this weekend.Anywho, on with the pron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atrox Posted July 15, 2011 Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 Love it. I do a lot of 3D motion graphics for my job, but nothing as precise as what you are doing. looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 Oh and as an added bonus, jsut because I love you guys.......... Here is the overall, even with the headstock I'm not digging: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RaVenCAD Posted July 15, 2011 Author Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 Love it. I do a lot of 3D motion graphics for my job, but nothing as precise as what you are doing. looks great Thanks =) I used to used 3D Studio Max to do construction/remediation site movies for an environmental company. No one knows this, but I put a model of my old boss inside of a cement mixer once.. He loved when the mixer poured out its load, but after the camera moved away, I made the cement turn red and a little head fell out.. It was all off-camera, but I knew it was there.. Yeah, I'm a horrible person heheheh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LesPaulFetish Posted July 15, 2011 Members Share Posted July 15, 2011 Agreed. Man, this is sweet. I also checked out the guitar this is "inspired by" (Soloway?), which looks really awesome as well. I hope it turns out as good as these renderings seem to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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