Members drumcanman Posted October 18, 2005 Members Share Posted October 18, 2005 This is one of the Patterens I have found usefull in building up my Right foot.My drum teacher a long time ago showed me this triplet exercise and said if I wanted to play 2 bassdrums I should learn to play patterns like this with one foot first then if if I added a note or 2 with the left foot I would be able to create interesting double bass.Audio only as MY video files seem to take forever to load.http://media.putfile.com/onefootbanditHave fun and God Bless Timwww.timwaterson.com:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted October 18, 2005 Members Share Posted October 18, 2005 Thanks, Tim! Good stuff. I've always considered strengthening single bass drum to be my primary goal even though I do use a double pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumcanman Posted October 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 Originally posted by ArtVandelay Thanks, Tim! Good stuff. I've always considered strengthening single bass drum to be my primary goal even though I do use a double pedal. Art Thanks for the kind words. My Drum Instructor wanted me not to fall in trap of relying on 2 bassdrums to do what you can do with one foot IE NO quads with 2 feet. I developed one foot at a time and slowly started adding in the other foot and this gave me the ability to do things like taking a double bass shuffle a1 a2 a3 a4 and playing it with one foot if you throw in the other foot 1e 2e 3e 4e you can turn it into a swiss triplet quite efforltessly. Hope this helps God Bless Tim www.timwaterson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rumblebelly Posted October 20, 2005 Members Share Posted October 20, 2005 That's super fast for one foot. I can't even do a one handed roll that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Slide Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 I disagree. In my opinion, if the music you are playing and WANT to play has double bass in it, then you might as well learn how right off the bat. In my opinion there is NO point in learning how to play with 1 foot on the kick and one on the hats and THEN having to unlearn that an learn how to play with both feet on a kick. That is no different than telling someone to learn how to play using only 1 handed before learning how to play with 2 hands. You don't ever hear anyone suggest THAT so why would you suggest it for your feet? That's silly IMO. Not only is it a matter of learning and relearning, but it's a matter of staying motivated. When I first started playing, I wanted to play Fear Factory and Slayer. If I had to play some bull{censored} music that I hated I wouldn't have got half as much practice as I did. Instead, I would put in my favorite Slayer or Fear Factory CD, throw on my headphones and do the best I could. I would practice for hours on end like that. What are the chances I would have practiced half that amount if I was listening to music I didn't like and/or didn't care to play? Slim to none. I'd love to see a video of this... because we all know that a Vruk system will alow you to play doublestrokes like this (Even though it is perfectly doable with one foot) and we also know how much you like the Vruk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Dark Slide. I don't entirely disagree with you. However, I would say that metal music is the ONLY style where double bass is a must. Pretty much every other style (and there are obviously many) can be done with single bass drum. Other styles of music are enhanced more by hi-hat accents and varying tensions with the hi-hat pedal so that focusing too much on double bass would actually be a hindrance for somebody who wishes to play something other than metal. As a result, I don't think it's overgeneralizing to state that players should try to become adept at single bass drum before advancing to double. The only exeption would be metal - and not even all metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Slide Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Yeah, we're saying the same thing, just different ways. Obviously if you're not using double bass constantly, then there is no need to start with it. As far as the stuff in this clip goes... I've stated my opinion. I've never seen Tim play those kinds of patterns without a Vruk, and as far as I am concerned, the Vruk system is cheating. Everything that I have seen a Vruk do can be done without one, the only difference is that you're replacing talent, time and effort, with money and a gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dendy Jarrett Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Tim- Great to see you here!! Stick around! Your post reminds me of the story of the drum off between Buddy Rich and Louis Bellson. During the drum off the two greats were trading 4's. Louis was of course playing his (a man before his times), double bass kit. Buddy was only playing a single bass drum set.During the trading 4's Louis looked over at Buddy as with a "take this" grin and laid into a double bass smoken' roll of 32nd notes.Everyone erupted in cheers.Buddy, ... without missing a beat (pardon the pun), grinned a cheshire cat grin, looked back over at Louis ... and with one pedal, laid into a 64th note roll with one foot! The place went crazy!! I have always loved that story. If there is any doubt about what can be achieved with double bass, check out the Thomas Lang DVD! Freightening! I will say this, ... for the meat and potato player (guys like me that make their living playing 2 and 4), double bass is a novelty.Seeing Thomas, ... made me want to hang up the ole' pedal! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumcanman Posted October 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Slide Yeah, we're saying the same thing, just different ways. Obviously if you're not using double bass constantly, then there is no need to start with it.As far as the stuff in this clip goes... I've stated my opinion. I've never seen Tim play those kinds of patterns without a Vruk, and as far as I am concerned, the Vruk system is cheating. Everything that I have seen a Vruk do can be done without one, the only difference is that you're replacing talent, time and effort, with money and a gimmick. Nick that is not done with the vruk go to http://www.timwaterson.com/audio_video.htmHere you will see my WFD accuacy experiment with triplets up to 220 with one foot.YES I LOve the vruk but what people dont understand is that the vruk will allow you to pull off accented patterns with power and with speed that could take a lifetime to learn.Its ALL GOODGod BlessTimwww.timwaterson.com:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dark Slide Posted October 21, 2005 Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Hey Tim... I have watched the video before. There are a couple of things about it that make it unhelpful. 1) We can't see your foot or pedal. So there is no way of knowing what technique you are using, and/or if you are using a Vruk or not. 2) It's on an electronic kit. Do you have any videos of you playing that on an acoustic kit? My problem is that I have seen people play triplets before and wasn't impressed. A mesh electronic kick head provides a crapload more rebound than an acoustic head will and generally I would be a lot more impressed if I could see what was going on, on an acoustic kit. Obviously it can be done, I've seen Jojo do it a number of times. That being said, I don't see how any of this applies to learning double bass regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drumcanman Posted October 21, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2005 Originally posted by Dark Slide Hey Tim... I have watched the video before. There are a couple of things about it that make it unhelpful. 1) We can't see your foot or pedal. So there is no way of knowing what technique you are using, and/or if you are using a Vruk or not. 2) It's on an electronic kit. Do you have any videos of you playing that on an acoustic kit? My problem is that I have seen people play triplets before and wasn't impressed. A mesh electronic kick head provides a crapload more rebound than an acoustic head will and generally I would be a lot more impressed if I could see what was going on, on an acoustic kit. Obviously it can be done, I've seen Jojo do it a number of times. That being said, I don't see how any of this applies to learning double bass regardless. DJ GLAD to be back on the board. YES Thomas Is Great so Is, Virgil #1 and Grant Collins and this LIST goes on and on..... NICK, The video shows one foot as A LOT of double bass drummers ARE lost when they dont have 2 bassdrums. I use to be that way too so I worked on dev eloping my foot to be able to play patterns that would normally be executed by 2 feet. JO JO has seen me do it on an accoustic kit and HE was impressed, so If I can impress someone Like JO JO I must be doing something right. And it will be on the NEW DVd on accoustickit, practice pad and the Pintechs. That Video was put up in May and I dont have time to work on demos right now as I am trying to get the DVD done for Christmas, God Bless Tim www.timwaterson.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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