Members kenm Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Hi All, My band has been playing a song in 7/8 for a while mostly based on a 1212123 subdivision. Our pianist reworked some of the parts so they go 1231212 instead. I am having trouble breaking the habit of playing the first and coming up with new parts for the second. Any tips or resources you recommend? Thanks! Be well,Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WillyRay Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 The way I see it, you've got two options. The best option is the woodshed. You need to spend a few hours at your kit going Da-du-du-Da-du-Da-du to break that 223 feel out of your hands. Practice makes habits, and it also breaks habits. It's just a question of time. The other option, if you don't have the time to practice this stuff away is to try to make it into an interesting polyrythm. You'd have Da-du-du-Da-du-Da-du over Da-du-Da-du-Da-du-du And if you voice it right on the drums, it might be possible to turn this negative into a positive. 1 will always hit together, but you'd have this mud in the back half of the measure that you might be able to make something interesting with. Obviously depends on lots of other stuff, as to whether or not this would work. My primary recommendation is still to just put in the time to learn it the other way. /w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sydfan Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Play the ones and threes on the bass drum, and play the twos on the snare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phil_The_Rodent Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 It sounds like you've gotten into pre-programmed mode which is a dangerous place to be if the composition hasn't been completed. Get that sucker onto tape and listen to it until you know the groove again. Better, I think, to write with the composition in mind than write in a silo. I guess another option might be to start your pre-programmed groove halfway through the measure. Maybe start with a 3/8 fill of some sort and then play as normal until the end of the passage and add 4 to split the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kenm Posted September 20, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thanks. I am happy to woodshed. I was really hoping you would have some beats I could work with. I guess I'll write some stuff out, practice it, and then hope it fits. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swilder Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 I would try a pattern something like this: kick - 2 - 3- snare - 5- kick - 7 Listen to some sting CDs. He's a master at playing over odd times and making it sound as natural as 4/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exploradorable Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 count to seven then like start over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSimms Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Originally posted by swilder I would try a pattern something like this:kick - 2 - 3- snare - 5- kick - 7Listen to some sting CDs. He's a master at playing over odd times and making it sound as natural as 4/4 Vinnie Colaiuta on "I Hung My Head," comes immediately to mind. Also, I agree with Willy Ray on the woodshedding and on the polyrhythms. I suppose I just agree with Willy Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JSimms Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Originally posted by exploradorable count to seven then like start over Brilliant!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members manoeuver Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Originally posted by Phil_The_Rodent Better, I think, to write with the composition in mind than write in a silo. Phil, I have no idea what that means, but I will carry it with me to my grave. thank you, and please do not try to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phil_The_Rodent Posted September 20, 2006 Members Share Posted September 20, 2006 Hehe. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Originally posted by kenm Hi All, My band has been playing a song in 7/8 for a while mostly based on a 1212123 subdivision. Our pianist reworked some of the parts so they go 1231212 instead. I am having trouble breaking the habit of playing the first and coming up with new parts for the second. Any tips or resources you recommend? Thanks! Be well, Ken I just posted this in another odd time thread and I think it bears repeating here. Some of this has been covered so pardon the redundancy. Get a metronome that will do specific meters. Try 5, 7, and don't forget 3 beats per measure. (Yes boys and girls, 3/4 is an odd time signature.) Count in twos and threes. For instance 5/4 would break down to: (2/4 + 3/4) OR (3/4 + 2/4) ---------------------------------------- 7/4 would break down as: 2/4 + 2/4 + 3/4 2/4 + 3/4 + 2/4 3/4 + 2/4 + 2/4 ------------------------------------------ Make sure you get all these do-hickeys down as they are fundamental to the western variety of meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kenm Posted September 21, 2006 Author Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Thanks folks. I got to practice early and worked out a few things. I think it will include a tom pattern with an on the beat off the beat kick drum pattern, which if the band can handle will be pretty cool. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keyman-sam Posted September 21, 2006 Members Share Posted September 21, 2006 Buy a drum machine and pretend as if you're playing. No one will notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted September 22, 2006 Members Share Posted September 22, 2006 Originally posted by kenm Thanks. I am happy to woodshed. I was really hoping you would have some beats I could work with. I guess I'll write some stuff out, practice it, and then hope it fits. Ken Waahh d'yathink cool beats grow on trees? JIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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