Members TwistedZ Posted March 25, 2011 Members Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hi guys, looking for some help identifying a cymbal I picked up. It's an 18" K Zildjian crash weighing in at 1387 grams. I'm trying to determine if this is an EAK or just a pre-serial K. Not that it really matters, it's a killer sounding pie regardless. Just curious and it's an excuse to post bronze porn..... I understand EAK's had the big letter "K" silk screened on the underside but have also heard the later runs of EAK's could have "Zildjian" inked on them. Mine has Zildjian inked on it. I have also heard the bells were hammered on the EAK's but I don't know if that is true of all EAK's. Mine is not hammered. It definitely has what looks like an EAK stamp but I'm not sure about some of the cymbals other characteristics. My guess is that it's probably just a pre-serial number K. It's definitely thin. In fact it's almost a 100 grams lighter than an 18" A Thin Crash that I have. Any of you bronze junkies have some insight? Stamp... Underside.... Topside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1001gear Posted March 25, 2011 Members Share Posted March 25, 2011 Ooh pwitty cymbow. !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members lossforgain Posted March 27, 2011 Members Share Posted March 27, 2011 Shawn, can you post close up pics of the hammering on top? Especially the area around the bell. Now for the BIG SECRET: I've owned EAKs, IAKs (preserial), and early serial-numbered Ks that still have the block letter model names on them, and guess what? There isn't THAT much difference. There IS a little difference between an EAK and an IAK, but really no difference between an IAK and an early serial K. On one of my kits right now I have a 16" IAK Dark Thin crash and an 18" early serial K Dark Thin. They sound like they came out of the factory on the same day - they have the same voice (not the same pitch, but they go together perfectly). I also have an EAK 20" ride, and have owned an early serial K of the same model in the past. I can tell you there is a bit more complexity in the EAK version and it's just a tad thinner, but otherwise not much different. I'm not sure I believe EAKs should command the premium they do because they sound better - but I will say that I've never heard a bad sounding EAK, so maybe that's the deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TwistedZ Posted March 27, 2011 Author Members Share Posted March 27, 2011 Thanks Jeremy, I was hoping you would see this. I'm pretty sure this is an IAK given the bell area is un-hammered. Right now I have it paired up with an 18" A thin and they go together beautifully. bell: top side hammering: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted March 30, 2011 Members Share Posted March 30, 2011 Absolutely an IAK. Still a fantastic cymbal - just like the one I have that happens to be a couple years newer! Can't complain about these at all, haven't heard a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted March 31, 2011 Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 not totally relative, but do you know what years the avedis line was stamping in the middle of the bow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted March 31, 2011 Members Share Posted March 31, 2011 Sorry, placement of the Avedis ink logos isn't really something I feel is very important to nail down, because I can tell what I need about the era of a given Avedis from the stamp. Pretty sure that you're talking late 70s to early/mid 80s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 sorry, I wasn't referring to the ink placement. But the actual stamp right in the middle of the bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted April 1, 2011 Members Share Posted April 1, 2011 Is it the large stamp? Placement of the engraved stamp can vary, even in a short time period. If you can post or send me a picture I can give you a timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted April 3, 2011 Members Share Posted April 3, 2011 Is it the large stamp? Placement of the engraved stamp can vary, even in a short time period. If you can post or send me a picture I can give you a timeframe. I'm not sure, it's a 20" ride that's at a music academy that I often help with the jazz workshop. I'll have to take a photo next time I play it, the academy gets equipment donations all the time and they're often always vintage. It seems like 50's or 60's by the patina and sound, and has rivet holes drilled. Very sparkly complex crash, yet short. The way it gets out of the way and still has lively character is quite beautiful. Certainly one of my favorite avedis pies I've rode. Sorry for the thread hijack and/or derailment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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