Members Benjamin Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Listening to a few bands lately: The Tea Party, A Perfect Circle and others. I am hearing this nice gurgling sound, examples being TTP - Fire in the head, and APC - Judith (any song will do). I am wondering exactly how I achieve that. I am almost there, but can't quite get the midrange right. I always prefer fresh RotoSounds to get that growl. Any frequencies I should emphasise? Another way to describe the sound is the P-Bass THUNG. Strange I know. I think I am really gassing for a P even moreso now. I know where there is a Tokia Hardpuncher P-Bass clone, going for around AUD$700. It is in really good condition, has vintage bridge and pickup covers. Doubt I could afford that in the short term. I am trying to avoid wanting another bass, really trying hard to get a P sound out of mine. I don't want to have to take 3 basses to every gig. Why does it have to be so hard. I hate GAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 I know exactly what you're talking about. In order to get that, you NEED to have fresh stainless steel rounds. (I like D'Addario ProSteels myself, though I used to use Rotos) You also need a quick attack, not necessarily hard (it can help though), and play right over the pickup or slightly towards the bridge. A bit of overdrive from a tube amp helps as well, or a GK with the boost all the way up, believe it or not. If you also want some more of that P-bass bite, listen to The Who's Live at Leeds. Entwistle's using a P with fresh rotosounds, through cranked up hiwatt amps into Hiwatt 4x12s, with a quick heavy handed attack, and when using a pick, the tone is even more aggressive. Don't worry about emphasizing specific frequencies, but low mids to get the muff, and slightly more subdued high mids for the real growl. Me? I use my Sunn with the bass at 1, mids & treble at 10, and that gets me a ton of growl. I use a seperate amp for the lows, however. Also, I find just a hint of fretbuzz in the sound also seems to accentuate this growl. Just enough to hear, but not impact the sustain of the strings at all. A bit of extremely subtle vibrato also helps (i'm talking no more than a millimeter to each side of the string). Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hish Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Ox, you may be the only guy on here with "real" tone. Heres my future setup: Trebles/Highs --> Sound City Bass 150 --> SWR 8x8 Lows/Sub-Lows --> any thing with enough Watts --> 1x18 cab a club DJ used to gig with I have the Sound City, SWR, and the 18 (sans speaker) already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by hish Ox, you may be the only guy on here with "real" tone. Heres my future setup: Trebles/Highs --> Sound City Bass 150 --> SWR 8x8 Lows/Sub-Lows --> any thing with enough Watts --> 1x18 cab a club DJ used to gig with I have the Sound City, SWR, and the 18 (sans speaker) already That sounds like a good setup, and it sounds similar to what I want: Highs/Mids will go to an 8 x 10 and a 2 x15 Ampeg SVT cabs Lows will go into 2 18 inch Ampegs through separate, bridged B4s. Guaranteed to set off car alarms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by hish Ox, you may be the only guy on here with "real" tone. Heres my future setup: Trebles/Highs --> Sound City Bass 150 --> SWR 8x8 Lows/Sub-Lows --> any thing with enough Watts --> 1x18 cab a club DJ used to gig with I have the Sound City, SWR, and the 18 (sans speaker) already I'm tryin to score locally a Music Man 1x18 to match my HD130 (which I use for lows). After that, I'd like a 4x12 to go with the Sceptre. For now though, the rig does pretty good: Wanna trade that Sound City for my Music Man? EDIT: Here are some clips of me playing through my rig, minus the sub amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted May 19, 2005 Author Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Using the MXR M-80 I don't doubt I could approximate the sounds you are achieving, with slightly different flavour of course. The P samples I mentioned are a lot cleaner thanyour samples. I can't really tell where P bass starts and amp ends with your rig. That's not to say I don't like the sound, it is something I would use more sparingly I guess I could just get the M-80 to assist with my P sound. I didn't think of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by Benjamin Using the MXR M-80 I don't doubt I could approximate the sounds you are achieving, with slightly different flavour of course. The P samples I mentioned are a lot cleaner thanyour samples. I can't really tell where P bass starts and amp ends with your rig. That's not to say I don't like the sound, it is something I would use more sparingly I guess I could just get the M-80 to assist with my P sound. I didn't think of that. You'll still be able to tell it's me playing with a P-bass (or variant) through pretty much any rig. It's technique that counts for most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members L-1329 Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by el_duderino676 That sounds like a good setup, and it sounds similar to what I want: Highs/Mids will go to an 8 x 10 and a 2 x15 Ampeg SVT cabs Lows will go into 2 18 inch Ampegs through separate, bridged B4s. Guaranteed to set off car alarms. You want an 810, 215 and 2 18's? Damn, you're going to need a bus and a road crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted May 19, 2005 Author Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox You'll still be able to tell it's me playing with a P-bass (or variant) through pretty much any rig. It's technique that counts for most of it. Figured as much. I am always varying technique to coax particular sounds out. If you were to jump on a MM or T-40 for example, there would be a marked difference if you wre running clean. I don't know what we're talking about now. I think I will experiment tonight with P tones and technique. I either play closer to the bridge, to get a bite or above the neck pup, which gives me that fatter woofier tone. I have actually found another sound, I can switch between more P and less P (more typical soapbar) on the neck soapbar. I gotta get my valve-driven biamp rig happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 What I really wanna do is get that Fender TBP-1 preamp, send the lows to a Stewart World amp or something lightweight, and send the mids & highs to a Carvin or Peavey tube power amp. Use 18s for lows & 4x12s for mids & highs. Mmm that'll be a ways down the road... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Also, don't be afraid to use a pick & palm mute!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted May 19, 2005 Author Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox Also, don't be afraid to use a pick & palm mute!!! Believe me, I got that technique down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lug Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 I call it Pbass clonk....http://users3.ev1.net/~woodd/huntforpbass.mp3 http://users3.ev1.net/~woodd/frakenseinhuntsaliens.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by lug I call it Pbass clonk.... http://users3.ev1.net/~woodd/huntforpbass.mp3http://users3.ev1.net/~woodd/frakensteinhuntsaliens.mp3 Wow, i'm disappointed. That didn't suck as much as I thought it would... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted May 19, 2005 Author Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 I know now. I need more bop, or bap. Clonk is the right adjective. I have just realised Lug, your URI sucks too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members el_duderino676 Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by L-1329 You want an 810, 215 and 2 18's? Damn, you're going to need a bus and a road crew! yeah, I could probably do without the 2 x 15 if I had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GrooveMonkey Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 I love The Tea Party! That is all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bnyswonger Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by hish Ox, you may be the only guy on here with "real" tone. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixgun77 Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 I'm seriously considering adding an 18 to my 4-12 cabinet. No 10s needed the 12 have plenty of highs as it is. I've got all the mids in the world but need more floor shakin' low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sludgebass69 Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by bnyswonger Meh. I'll put my money on Bob............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tlaloc Posted May 19, 2005 Members Share Posted May 19, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox I'm tryin to score locally a Music Man 1x18 to match my HD130 (which I use for lows). After that, I'd like a 4x12 to go with the Sceptre. For now though, the rig does pretty good: Wanna trade that Sound City for my Music Man? EDIT: Here are some clips of me playing through my rig, minus the sub amp. Ox, you rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Benjamin Posted May 20, 2005 Author Members Share Posted May 20, 2005 Hey you hijackers!! I am using a 4x10, which however deep, probably doesn't give that same P sound as maybe a 15 would. Experimented last night with an altered curve, more mids worked a treat, much more P like, and didn't disturb the sounds for the MM pup overly. Also tuned the M-80 with more CLONK, sounds great when the distortion is kicked in too! No need for a P right now I do want to biamp though. All I have to do is find the right 12". Thinking Eminence, primarily because that is what is in my 4x10. Power handling will be in the order of 100-150W, possibly all valve or hybrid. Any suggestions? If I can't find/build a valve power section, I may go an electronics shop mosfet power section and have a local guy build a valve preamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 20, 2005 Members Share Posted May 20, 2005 Originally posted by bnyswonger Meh. Don't be jealous, Bob. Originally posted by Benjamin Hey you hijackers!! I am using a 4x10, which however deep, probably doesn't give that same P sound as maybe a 15 would. Experimented last night with an altered curve, more mids worked a treat, much more P like, and didn't disturb the sounds for the MM pup overly. Also tuned the M-80 with more CLONK, sounds great when the distortion is kicked in too! No need for a P right now I do want to biamp though. All I have to do is find the right 12". Thinking Eminence, primarily because that is what is in my 4x10. Power handling will be in the order of 100-150W, possibly all valve or hybrid. Any suggestions? If I can't find/build a valve power section, I may go an electronics shop mosfet power section and have a local guy build a valve preamp. Believe me, MOSFETs sound nothing like tubes. Don't go by what Ampeg's mofset hype says about "tube sound & feel with solid state reliability." If you want the full valve sound, your rig must be full of valves. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members der oxenrig Posted May 20, 2005 Members Share Posted May 20, 2005 Originally posted by Tlaloc Ox, you rock Why do you act so shocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zebra Posted May 20, 2005 Members Share Posted May 20, 2005 Originally posted by The Ox Wow, i'm disappointed. That didn't suck as much as I thought it would... You're only saying that because it's a p-bass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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