Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Kinda tangenting off a closed thread from a couple weeks ago, I have been pondering buying a powered sub that could be easily integrated into any "speakers on poles" PA system. Ideally, this could be so I could use my B15 in a live setting but also to help out the kick drum and overall fullness of FOH sound. An old band used a single Mackie powered sub, and it worked pretty well, but I know there have to be more out there. Figure ~$1000-$1200 budget, ideally portable in a compact car, but a van is likely on the way soon, and a dolly cart is always available. Standard 3 piece rock band with 2 singers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted July 1, 2009 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2009 RCF ART-705AS Also, check out the Yorkville LS720p. My recs are based upon fitting in a compact car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Cool, thanks. Have you used these, or is it just based on size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 We use the Crown-powered JBL 118's. They're freaking sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members knuckle_head Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Define sub. No sarcasm here, as this means many things to many people. I doubt you'll find a sub capable of keeping up with a PA with a $1200 budget. You will at best hint at what is missing from mains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Help me define sub, I'm a bass player, not a FOH guy Right now the PA is a pair of mackie 450s, with another one used as a wedge monitor. The bookings we are getting are for fairly small spaces (100-200 people, bars, outdoor patios, etc). I want to limit "stage" volume since it's a mostly acoustic act right now, but still throw enough bass to keep people dancing. EDIT: And I just realized who asked No 39" scale basses for me thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 We use these on either side: http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/general/Product.aspx?PId=49&MId=3 http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/general/Product.aspx?PId=47&MId=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 If it's a "speakers on sticks" situation, $1200 worth of sub will make a huge difference. The Yorkie LS720p that Thud mentioned is a good option. Lots of output in a smal box. The JBL PRX518S is also a good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Also, if you feel like driving down to the 757, I've got a 2x18 box that I built and am no longer using that I'd let you have for what the speakers cost. It's 36x36x18 and on casters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted July 1, 2009 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2009 Cool, thanks. Have you used these, or is it just based on size?I had an LS700p at one point. Too heavy and not a true crossover circuit. The LS720p came out later. If size isn't the issue for you, the LS800p pounds harder. The reviews on the yorkville stuff are very good for quality/dependability. As for the RCF, I'd own it, but it was out of my price range and a bit heavier than what I was looking for. I also play smaller joints with the original stuff, so I went with db Technoligies Sub 12s. They are terrific and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Also, if you feel like driving down to the 757, I've got a 2x18 box that I built and am no longer using that I'd let you have for what the speakers cost. It's 36x36x18 and on casters. Prolly abit too big for my applications, but thanks. Thud- Goodinfo, and yeah, I'm googlin like a muv' now. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 No such thing as too big. I've also got an Avatar B212 Delta that has worked really well as a sub in the past at small places. I ran that on the sub output of the crossover with 500 watts going to it and that did a really good job in some places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bluedogaudio Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 I used to work at Full Compass, and I personally like the new QSC powered speakers. They sound reeeeally good.... http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/hpr/ Otherwise, I have friends that use EV and they also sounds pretty good.... http://www.electrovoice.com/products/195.html I'd stay away from Mackie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 No such thing as too big. You need to see the postage stamps I get to play on!!! A buddies bass player stopped schlepping aournd a very nice Eden rig (WT500 and a 212/210 iirc) because it was too big for most of the stages in NoVA. Not power or output wise, just physically too big to fit with the drums and rest fo the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpsands Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Get LDS to make you one with a plate amp and a 3015LF. Maybe a switchable 400hz/800hz low pass or something Dunno. I think Parts express sells amps for making your own powered speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Then you should be looking at a Yorkville LS200P. They claim 125 dB out of a 27 x 17.5 x 14 box loaded with a single 10. It's probably sufficient to round out the sound and give the bass and kick a little more presence in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpsands Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Carvin also makes a powered one that looks darn nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrJoshua Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Carvin also makes a powered one that looks darn nice. Actually, I have two Carvin 18" powered subs. They're pretty decent. I run them under a pair of Peavey Impulse 1012 mains powered by a QSC PL236 amp and they keep up pretty well. For a small bar rig, they do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted July 1, 2009 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2009 The LS700p has a surprisingly small footprint and the 210 setup has amazing punch. At 90 lbs or so, it's a bit cumbersome. If a rec is going to come in for the LS200p, then I guess the db Technologies Sub 12 is worth a look. I haven't had any issues with mine, and unlike the yorkie, it has a real built in crossover and XLR jacks. Price for one is 12" Active-subwoofer MT-Amp rated at 400 W/RMS Frequency Response - 40 - 150 Hz Maximum SPL: 127 dB Active stereo frequency softening - 24 dB/oct. @ 100 Hz 2 L&R Neutrik Combo input jacks 2 x XLR parallel output jacks 2 x XLR Crossed-over outputs Phase reverse switch Dynamic soft-clip limiter Weight: only 18.9 kg or 42lbs Dimentions: 20.5" X 14.2" X 19.7"I'm concerned, though, about recommending the really small subs for their outdoor gigs, if they happen to be bigger than a small beer tent. If that's the case, a real crossover and an LS700p would be about as small as I'd go. The LS700p and the LS200p are really nice for a "speaker on stick" type of group where you just take the mains signal out and use them to add additional bottom to the sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 I think Parts express sells amps for making your own powered speakers. Hell yeah! Couple one of those plate amps to a B!ll F!tzmaur!ce designed box and you'll have a PA that will sound better than a JBL SRX rig for less than $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators ThudMaker Posted July 1, 2009 Moderators Share Posted July 1, 2009 Hell yeah! Couple one of those plate amps to a B!ll F!tzmaur!ce designed box and you'll have a PA that will sound better than a JBL SRX rig for less than $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 JBL SRX?? Lulz. I think we're talking about Meyer Sound territory right here, brosef!! :thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ender_rpm Posted July 1, 2009 Author Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 Oi... The outside areas tend to be largeish covered patio bars, but I know we are looking ta booking bigger place once the rythm section tightens up (drummer has been doing hand percussion, but also has a very busy job, so we may be drummer shopping too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burdizzos Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 JBL SRX?? Lulz. I think we're talking about Meyer Sound territory right here, brosef!! :thu: My bad. I was going to build a couple of Tub@ 24s and 0mni PA tops to compare them to Z-x's Meyer rig, but I didn't want to hurt his feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RSBro Posted July 1, 2009 Members Share Posted July 1, 2009 My bad. I was going to build a couple of Tub@ 24s and 0mni PA tops to compare them to Z-x's Meyer rig, but I didn't want to hurt his feelings. Yeah, I hear ya. I mean they're pretty much the same things, once you get right down to it. :idk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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