Members BlueStrat Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Sure, A&R reps are going to be looking for that kind of thing A problem 99.9999% of us here are never going to have to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BATCAT Posted September 4, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2009 This isn't Project Runway...it's playing in a band. I've said it before Rock/pop music is, at it's core, a big fashion show. Always has been. Some succeed because of that, some succeed in spite of it, and some succeed in conjunction with that... but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nijyo Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 I've said it beforeRock/pop music is, at it's core, a big fashion show. Always has been.Some succeed because of that, some succeed in spite of it, and some succeed in conjunction with that... but it's true. +1 Even when the grungies were "going against fashion" they were setting a fashion trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pickinatit Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Wow, when you get old enough your world gets turned up-side down every time you turn around. I mean, back in the day the Rockers divested themselves of the stereo-typical performer's look and donned the torn jeans and flannel/tee (wear what you want, clothes don't make the man) precisely to REJECT convention and molds. Come full circle to today and the "Rocker look" has become a mandatory uniform that Rockers must wear to "look the part", exactly the concept that the original rockers were giving the big bird to. F that. A true rocker wears what he wants and screw you if you don't like it. If you think you have to wear a particular "uniform" to be a rocker....well, you're missing the point. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BATCAT Posted September 4, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2009 Come full circle to today and the "Rocker look" has become a mandatory uniform that Rockers must wear to "look the partRight, and going agianst that is ALSO embracing an image. See how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nijyo Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Right, and going agianst that is ALSO embracing an image. See how it works? Yup. Is the old "i'm unique, just like everyone else" bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pickinatit Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's not embracing an image. It's embracing an attitude. Not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanlatte Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yup. Is the old "i'm unique, just like everyone else" bit. Sounds like you are both saying there is no solution here...at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nijyo Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Sounds like you are both saying there is no solution here...at all. I'm asserting that there isn't a *problem*, slight difference. Rock'n'Roll is 30% music (sometimes less) and 70% theater. The sooner people embrace that, the sooner they're embraced by fans, IMO. Not sayin' you can't make good music, but these aren't orchestral fans, they're *rock* fans. The visual aspect is easily the most important part once you have a basic level of musicianship (and even then not so much). As was said about Nikki Sixx, a man who had more than his share of rock success, "[Nikki] really couldn't play bass very well, but that never stopped Gene Simmons, either". What Motley had, though (and by all accounts Nikki was mostly responsible for) were catchy songs and a *very* recognizable (and marketable) image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BATCAT Posted September 4, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's not embracing an image. It's embracing an attitude. Not the same thing.My point is that the INTENT behind whatever look you have doesn't matter one bit- the audience reads it the same. There is, of course, no one look that's going to be the best one- it depends on your genre, physical appearance, locale, and a bunch of other factors.My other point is that it's a mistake to just say it doesn't matter and not take an appraisal of what your band looks like and if it appropriate and/or could be improved on.In EVERY form of face-to-face human interaction, your appearance sends signals and gets reactions, at both the conscious and unconscious level. And that's amplified by any situation involving being an entertainer. Whether you like it or not, your clothes are speaking for you.It's your choice whether you want to listen to what they have to say or stick your fingers in your ears and go "nananana". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pickinatit Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 My point is that the INTENT behind whatever look you have doesn't matter one bit- the audience reads it the same. There is, of course, no one look that's going to be the best one- it depends on your genre, physical appearance, locale, and a bunch of other factors. My other point is that it's a mistake to just say it doesn't matter and not take an appraisal of what your band looks like and if it appropriate and/or could be improved on. In EVERY form of face-to-face human interaction, your appearance sends signals and gets reactions, at both the conscious and unconscious level. And that's amplified by any situation involving being an entertainer. Whether you like it or not, your clothes are speaking for you. It's your choice whether you want to listen to what they have to say or stick your fingers in your ears and go "nananana". I really don't disagree with much of what you are saying. It's mostly true in reality. It also represents a sort of selling out of the "counter culture" ideals out of which the original rockers were born (or vice versa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MaxKincaide Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think what really bothers me is that everyone should be able to take a common sense approach to dressing themselves for various occasions. I know everyone needs to learn these things at some point, but if you're not in the loop enough to know what other bands are wearing on stage that fit into your genre, it's time to start doing your homework. What I was saying before is not that rock has nothing to do with fashion...I know it does, because image is, like others have said, a huge factor in how far a band gets, sometimes above the music itself. The point I was trying to make was that if you're caught up in your image over your music, then your show is going to be lacking, and your image will no longer matter. First and foremost, bands are performers. Image can make or break a band. I understand that, as do most of the rest of us. The problem that I have is that people get too wrapped up in what they look like instead of looking at the bigger picture. As long as you're entertaining your audience (in a good way), just be natural...as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators BATCAT Posted September 4, 2009 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2009 The problem that I have is that people get too wrapped up in what they look like instead of looking at the bigger picture. Well, it's a safe bet those people aren't wearing shorts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wades_keys Posted September 4, 2009 Members Share Posted September 4, 2009 Well, it's a safe bet those people aren't wearing shorts! When I wear shorts it's like: "Blinded by the White". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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