Members chick korea Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 its soo sooo terrible ..... its a very terrible terrible tradegy ... what is happening in the disaster area,,...... i really hope we all contribute in some form .. its just ...... too terrible .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Am I going to give money to the Red Cross? Nope. There are enough problems in this country. All my charity dollars go to the humane society with specific funding toward spaying and neutering stray dogs. If there were a charity that spayed and neutered tweakers and crackheads or castrated child molesters, they'd get my money too. Or a charity that kept welfare moms (and their deadbeat dads) or poverty-stricken third-world citizens from having more unnecessary kids, overpopulating the earth, and causing pretty much every world problem except for natural disasters. Not to say it's not a terrible, terrible tragedy, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Originally posted by A D S R You should never ask people " if " or " how " much one gives to charity A very personal and private affair. Exactly, otherwise you get {censored} like this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scubyfan Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Originally posted by Yoozer Exactly, otherwise you get {censored} like this . You do know that the "stingy" comment came before the U.S. raised its aid, right? Originally, the amount was much less, but the criticism multiplied it by ten or so. Still, Japan is giving half a billion. Incidentally, the U.S. is pretty low on the list of international aid as a percentage of GDP. In fact, I think your country is among the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boom Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Originally posted by audacity works If there were a charity that spayed and neutered tweakers and crackheads or castrated child molesters, they'd get my money too. Or a charity that kept welfare moms (and their deadbeat dads) or poverty-stricken third-world citizens from having more unnecessary kids, overpopulating the earth, and causing pretty much every world problem except for natural disasters. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Umbra Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'm donating to the seeing eye dog foundation for the blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cybermooks Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'm giving to the American Red Cross for this. You have to be sure you give to a legitimate charity with on-the-ground capabilities. I'm not sure what the "{censored} like this" is supposed to mean but I'm sick of smug Scandinavian socialists criticizing the US since they have nothing better to do. We just should avoid a morally bankrupt and corrupt organization like the UN. American private donations will be many times more than anything Europe comes up with, leaving aside government, the US military, without which aid and help won't get to the needy, etc. etc. The GDP percentage figure is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 cybermooks : I was using the bickering over "who gives what" as an example to illustrate one of ADSR's more lucid comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Sure have donated, I also plan on putting together some kind of fund raising night at the university bar open mic night... I'm sure other people will have already put things in motion. I lived in SE Asia for a while, it is such a great place.. I know many Singaporeans and Malaysians in particular... the media in that part of the world lives in a kind of "feel good" vacuum... I can't imagine how they are dealing with this... I know plenty of people who have donated and many who say they won't... not entirely sure why, I still think there is a "them" and "us" attitude with regards to how people view foreigners unfortunately... As for problems in our own countries, sure there is, but nothing even remotely on this scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 3, 2005 Members Share Posted January 3, 2005 Originally posted by orangefunk I still think there is a "them" and "us" attitude with regards to how people view foreigners unfortunately...Of course. I just have a softer spot for dogs, because they're not able to develop the cognitive skills to understand the importance of not overpopulating their area. We all pick our battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members orangefunk Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 Originally posted by audacity works Of course. I just have a softer spot for dogs, because they're not able to develop the cognitive skills to understand the importance of not overpopulating their area.We all pick our battles. AW, with respect I don't think this is something you can be flippant about.... I like dogs and cats and hate paedophiles ( i have more reason to than most on this forum) etc... but this is a really dark moment in many peoples lives... I think you should respect the fact that 150,000 people have died even if you don't want to donate. By the way I'm not judging anyone, its of course up to the individual if they wish to not donate.. so lets not get into arguments... I have a close affinity with that part of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 Originally posted by orangefunk AW, with respect I don't think this is something you can be flippant about.... I like dogs and cats and hate paedophiles ( i have more reason to than most on this forum) etc... but this is a really dark moment in many peoples lives... I think you should respect the fact that 150,000 people have died even if you don't want to donate.Not trying to be flippant. Already said it was a terrible, terrible tragedy. My point (which admittedly, was a bit obtuse) is that the wrong people are having too many kids (and/or not instilling proper values in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cybermooks Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 Audace I actually agree with your points; the other side of the problem being that the affluent and advanced are having too few kids, leaving places like Europe and Japan potential demographic disaster zones; the US slighly less so only because of immigration and that some segments of the population, notably in the red states, are breeding in higher numbers. I agree about dogs and cats too. However, none of that has anything to do with this tragedy. None of those problems caused it; it is a natural disaster. People who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time are suffering, and that is how anyone with an ounce of compassion must view it. It has nothing to do with western "guilt" or culpability- I totally reject that {censored}- but just basic human decency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 audacity: if you decide to turn your charitable interests to humans instead of animals, you may want to check into donating some here: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ or here: http://www.zpg.org/ (zero population growth) while i agree with some of your position, the current disaster is another matter, and is causing tremendous amounts of real human suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BillyWa Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 My band is playing for a local fund raiser for relief this coming weekend sponsered by the local radio station. I think they will ensure the money gets to the right relief association. Also, after my wife found out her our family there is ok, she donated her tickets to a couple that needed to get to Bangkok. She was scheduled to go on vacation to visit her parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 Originally posted by cybermooks Audace I actually agree with your points; the other side of the problem being that the affluent and advanced are having too few kids, leaving places like Europe and Japan potential demographic disaster zones.Mike Judge's (King of the Hill, Office Space) new comedy is actually about this very problem. Everyman Luke Wilson wakes up 1000 years in the future to find he's the most intelligent person on earth, because stupid people have out-bred smart ones.Originally posted by mildbill while i agree with some of your position, the current disaster is another matter, and is causing tremendous amounts of real human suffering.Agreed. Again, I didn't mean to undermine the tragedy at hand. Will definitely look into ZPG. Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cybermooks Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 yeah but ZPG is aimed at the wrong people- westerners who already have it. The third world isn't getting the message. Longer term though, according to demographic projections a lot of this will level off beginning mid century, so that overpopulation may not be the problem we think it is. It is problemmatic only if you procreate without being able to support or feed your offspring, or provide a decent life for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 Originally posted by cybermooks Longer term though, according to demographic projections a lot of this will level off beginning mid century, so that overpopulation may not be the problem we think it is.What's scary is that nature has a way of balancing things out. This may sound incredibly insensitive, but that's the first thing that always pops into my head when reading about plagues or natural disasters. /fully understand it could happen to me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EerieDreamZ Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 No. I may sound like a crass MF but I'm sick of giving money to these 3rd world countries that have little memory about things like this when they pick up arms later on and try to {censored} us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EerieDreamZ Posted January 4, 2005 Members Share Posted January 4, 2005 By the way............ GODDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chick korea Posted January 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2005 its tooooo horrible ......... its more than 150,000 people that have died .. 2.- more than 800,000 with out nothing in al sense of the word Yoo much to take in.. its soo hard so imagine such situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chick korea Posted January 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by orangefunk Sure have donated, I also plan on putting together some kind of fund raising night at the university bar open mic night... I'm sure other people will have already put things in motion.I lived in SE Asia for a while, it is such a great place.. I know many Singaporeans and Malaysians in particular... the media in that part of the world lives in a kind of "feel good" vacuum... I can't imagine how they are dealing with this...I know plenty of people who have donated and many who say they won't... not entirely sure why, I still think there is a "them" and "us" attitude with regards to how people view foreigners unfortunately...As for problems in our own countries, sure there is, but nothing even remotely on this scale... very real and acurate . comment.speacially becuase you have been there.. breaks my heart to see people not felling just a little .... emotions ..... after all that atradegy......... not fell nothing .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted January 6, 2005 Members Share Posted January 6, 2005 I went with M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pgunders Posted January 7, 2005 Members Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by audacity works Not trying to be flippant. Already said it was a terrible, terrible tragedy. My point (which admittedly, was a bit obtuse) is that the wrong people are having too many kids (and/or not instilling proper values in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted January 7, 2005 Members Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by pgunders Go ahead and visit any economics department in any university in the world and ask a prof what would happen if the world's poor people stopped procreating. No cheap labor anymore which'd lead to more expensive products? So Nike finally has to pay more than a dollar to make a shoe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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