Members tuco Posted October 8, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 What about the Voce Micro B, hooked up with the M-Audio 49e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by Mr Varaldo The Juno-6 is exactly the same as the 60 without patch memory... maybe you meant JUPITER-6?? no. i meant exactly what i said. the extra digital {censored} in the Juno 60 makes certain fine-tuning adjustments of the controls not as fine as on the 6. the organ sound i can make on the 6 is unpossible on the 60 or the 106. i realise that the 6 is supposed to be the same as the 60, but i know that the juno 6 i had sounded much better than the two 60s i've played outside of it. EDIT: which probably has something to do with their conditions. i'm kind of poking fun saying the 6 sounds better than the 60, it sounds the same, but the 6 is better because it doesn't have patch storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by tuco And I don't know what a 8888000000 is...... bottom four drawbars all the way out, rest pushed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pawnz Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by tuco What about the Voce Micro B, hooked up with the M-Audio 49e? The Voce Micro B has an extremely authentic Hammond sound (I have a Micro B II ). However, its on-board Leslie simulator is absolutely horrible! The "fast" speed sounds like a whiny vibrato, at best. You will definitely need a dedicated Leslie simulator with this axe. I play mine through a Dynacord CLS-222. Sounds fabulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 8, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by Pawnz The Voce Micro B has an extremely authentic Hammond sound (I have a Micro B II ). However, its on-board Leslie simulator is absolutely horrible! The "fast" speed sounds like a whiny vibrato, at best. You will definitely need a dedicated Leslie simulator with this axe. I play mine through a Dynacord CLS-222. Sounds fabulous. Sheesh, seems my "cheap" route is getting complicated! I DEFINITELY want a good leslie.....that's key: B3 and leslie. All other synth voices would be nice---but I don't expect Pink Floyd on a garage budget, and I really only like the B3 for my type of rock/blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 8, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Well....the dynacord is way over budget, sounds cool though. My next question is: does the Roland JV 1080's leslie sound as good as it's B3 sound? Is the leslie's speed changable with a pedal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by tuco My next question is: does the Roland JV 1080's leslie sound as good as it's B3 sound? Is the leslie's speed changable with a pedal? the JV-1080 does 888800000 passably with the onboard leslie. you'd have to programme it right though. i've never programmed one. i had the XP-80 keyboard. why do you want a keyboard for this? why don't you just get an M3 and a Rotosphere or something? it would sound _much_ better than any of the stuff in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 ??? who actually recommended Junos for Hammond sounds.???I cant imagine a less appropriate board (btw, i owned a Juno 6 once) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TDman Posted October 8, 2005 Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 +1 Yup, that's I happen to prefer the 106 over the 60. Yes, the 60 sounds warmer, but the 106 is more versatile, IMO. And MIDI is already built-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 8, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 Originally posted by suitandtieguy the JV-1080 does 888800000 passably with the onboard leslie. you'd have to programme it right though. i've never programmed one. i had the XP-80 keyboard. why do you want a keyboard for this? why don't you just get an M3 and a Rotosphere or something? it would sound _much_ better than any of the stuff in this thread. I looked back, and I don't see a reference to an "M3"--what is it? And who makes the Rotosphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 8, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2005 OK, I figured it out....but the Korg M3 and the H & K Rotosphere are gonna be around $300 EACH, used. I am starting to think that I am not going to be able to get what I want for the $$ I can spend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted October 9, 2005 Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 Originally posted by tuco OK, I figured it out....but the Korg M3 and the H & K Rotosphere uh dude i meant a HAMMOND M3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 9, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 Originally posted by suitandtieguy uh dude i meant a HAMMOND M3. OK, I found one on Ebay that is only $120 right now--but shipping on a full-size organ? And again, the Rotoshere along is around $300. It doesn't look like my budget will get me were I want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dan88z Posted October 9, 2005 Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 It's sorta like you have champagne taste on a beer budget. You CAN get a decent organ sound for your budget, but it's going to be lacking in a lot of areas. If a good organ is the sound you really want to have, then forget about looking at synths like the Junos or anything like that. Look at some kind of organ clone, or a real Hammond like mentioned. Yes, shipping on an M3 would be horrible. Try and find one local, they are out there. Otherwise, you will most likely need to increase your budget some, and look at the Voce stuff or maybe a Roland VK7 which has a good basic organ sound. The leslie simulators in the Voce's may not be the best but it sounds like you really don't have much experience with leslies or drawbars based on your questions, so the Voce will probably sound fine compared to using a Juno for organ sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted October 9, 2005 Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 Nobody mentioned the DX-7 yet? There you've got 6 drawbars, and it's cheap, too. Do add a rotary + tube effect or something though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tuco Posted October 9, 2005 Author Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 Originally posted by Yoozer Nobody mentioned the DX-7 yet? There you've got 6 drawbars, and it's cheap, too. Do add a rotary + tube effect or something though. Looks interesting, thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted October 9, 2005 Members Share Posted October 9, 2005 Based on your previous assumption that the Juno-60 would be good for organ sounds, let me please clarify my suggestion. The DX7 has 6 sinewave oscillators. A regular B3 has 8 tonewheels - the vintage electromechanical equivalent of the sinewave oscillator. As you have seen, "presets" are defined by a row of 8 numbers which can each vary in volume. When a number is 0 on the B3 it won't do anything (except cause minor electronic signal bleeding, maybe). So, technically, the DX7 would be 'too small'. This should not pose many problems - because not all of 'm are on on full volume anyway, and this allows you to skip the "zeros" (no sound, right?). You can put these oscillators in various configurations called "algorithms". The most basic algorithm has the 6 of 'm in parallel, which means, when properly tuned, they can act as 6 'drawbars'. You can control both volume and pitch - you could build a basic patch on the DX7 to use as a starting point. The main advantage is that the DX is cheap - because a lot of 'm have been made and they're not easy to program (hence : not a lot of time has been put into making one's own sounds so the attachment of the owners isn't that high). A Korg N5 or X5D as earlier suggested would offer you a lot of B3 too - so would an E-mu Vintage Keys pro (the new version, not the old one). These come with the whole rotary effect included but they cost a bit more. It's light-weight too. Don't expect complete control; after all it is dependant on its internal samples, so in order to get something like an 80880080 you might have to stack an 80800000 and an 00080080. Simple arithmetics on paper, fiendishly difficult in practice. A secondhand Roland XP-30 as earlier suggested with the Keys of the 60's and 70's would be pretty capable too; but this might go above your budget. Also, you can find an XP-30 without the card, but you'd have to program all your own organ settings then, and the Keys of the 60's and 70's card has 130 presets (and better samples) with the names referring to the classics/standards, so it's easier to search through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pureoldsound Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 I am in the same quest of getting a good B3 and leslie sound. I was thinking about a Korg CX-3 for that. but now that you guys have mentioned so many other choices does the EX-5 or 7 gets as close or better than Korg's CX-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted November 10, 2005 Members Share Posted November 10, 2005 A CX-3 is a dedicated organ simulator/clonewheel. An EX-5/7 simply has an organ as one of the (series) of multisamples and presets. Since the CX-3 is of a more recent date and it features waterfall keys, and a dedicated Leslie sim the answer'd be pretty obvious, really. Here's a review:http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan01/articles/korgcx3.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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