Members kirs Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Overnight I just started breaking out of patterns and boxes and just went with the feel of the music. I unconsciously started doing things like this, for example: Above is played over a D5 chord. It has a Middle-Eastern feel but not any scale I was able to find. If I'm to guess the top half, A A# F# G D D#, is the "D Major Gypsy scale" (according to Wolfram, I never heard of it) which then leads into the plain old D minor scale. Does everyone eventually hit a point where they start making scales up based on the vibe? If so, sign me up. I've plateaued for the past two years until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Does everyone eventually hit a point where they start making scales up based on the vibe? Everyone? I don't think so. Some people hit a point where they start making up melodies instead of scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gennation Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 I've been chopping scales into piece for a long time, a lot of people do. You can get a lot of great ideas from it. But, I've been playing music longer than it took for me to memorize scales. The scale you have is a D Phrygian Dominant scale. It can also be thought of as a G Harmonic Minor, but it doesn't sound as "middle eastern" from that point of view. I have a full blown tutorial on the D Phrygian Dominant scale that you'd probably get a lot out of: http://lessons.mikedodge.com/lessons/PhryDom/PhryDomTOC.htm It will show you a bunch of cool sounds in the scale, give you a lot background on it and essentially teaches you these ideas and more: nAF_aEaqqYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kirs Posted October 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Wow, thanks gennation. Reading your intro you it seems you happened on this scale the same way I did. I was also using DADGBE tuning as well for a drone-ish effect with 0577xx. I guess this scale just wants to be discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jeremy_green Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 You could also look at your 'scale' as just a D chord, with each note approached from a semitone above (passing/leading tones). Jazz cats do this all the time. Take any chord shape and on the downbeats play the chord tones... On the upbeats, play a note 1 fret above or below that chord tone. You will hear that real jazz swing feel. Try other chord shapes too. Exploring different tonalities of scale forms is pretty common I would think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonfinn Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 I just invented this one. Lemme know what you think: ---------------1-------------------------------6---6-------------------------10--------10-------------------3---------------3---------------8-------------------8---------13------------------------13---- Very useful! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members polishpaul Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Thanks, Jon! What a buzz! It took me about 0.85 seconds to figure out your joke. I am indeed progressing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members polishpaul Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Everyone? I don't think so. Some people hit a point where they start making up melodies instead of scales. A bitter-sweet reply, in some ways. It could possibly be taken as sarcasm, but it is not that. It is true. Probably the best reply anyone could give! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members polishpaul Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 Thanks, Jon! What a buzz! It took me about 0.85 seconds to figure out your joke. I am indeed progressing . F'ing dull scale, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted October 6, 2011 Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 A bitter-sweet reply, in some ways.It could possibly be taken as sarcasm, but it is not that.It is true.Probably the best reply anyone could give! I didn't mean to sound harsh. In retrospect, I think the OP might be confused about the difference between making up a scale on the fly and making up a melody on the fly. The latter skill has been observed in great improvising guitarists - not just in jazz but also in rock, country, flamenco, etc. A scale is just a set of notes which you can use to build a melody and chords. What the OP posted is not a scale. It is a melody based on a scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kirs Posted October 6, 2011 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2011 A scale is just a set of notes which you can use to build a melody and chords. What the OP posted is not a scale. It is a melody based on a scale. I realize that, my wording was wrong. It's all semantics. I guess what I am getting is that I used to play straight-up boxes and patterns then suddenly I'm not not even thinking about it. I just know what note I want and where to hit it on the fretboard. That's broken me out of my major/minor/pentatonic box safe zones and and into utilizing new scales and chords and creating new sorts of harmonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted October 7, 2011 Members Share Posted October 7, 2011 II just know what note I want and where to hit it on the fretboard. That's broken me out of my major/minor/pentatonic box safe zones and and into utilizing new scales and chords and creating new sorts of harmonies. Ok, now this is something several people here have reported they experienced. I was thrilled when I realized I was starting to match the sounds in my head with the actual notes being played in the instrument. After that epiphany, I realized that ear training would help me get better at it, as well as making a practice of learning melodic phrases from other soloists and creating my own lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 3shiftgtr Posted October 7, 2011 Members Share Posted October 7, 2011 I just invented this one. Lemme know what you think:---------------1-------------------------------6---6-------------------------10--------10-------------------3---------------3---------------8-------------------8---------13------------------------13----Very useful! :-) Best. Scale. Evr. I now have a career: Guitar Player: 3shift, your harmonic and melodic concepts have a static yet melodic feel. How do you accomplish that? 3shift: Well after exhausting all the Coltrane and Holdsworth permutations and just generally getting bored with that stuff, not to mention the Slonimsky book, I was looking for something new. Then I found the Finn Matrix. Beautiful, man. Tks Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jon Chappell Posted October 12, 2011 Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 I just invented this one. Lemme know what you think: ---------------1------------------ -------------6---6---------------- ---------10--------10------------ -------3---------------3---------- -----8-------------------8-------- -13------------------------13---- Very useful! :-) I dunno. I just tried it over both an E and an E9 chord and it was really dissonant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gennation Posted October 12, 2011 Members Share Posted October 12, 2011 I dunno. I just tried it over both an E and an E9 chord and it was really dissonant. Try it over E9 moving/resolving it to A. Should clear things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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