Members Next to Nothing Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 I a thinking the Katana is the way to go from what I have read, but I was wondering what the experts here have to say about these two pedals compared? I have heard the Katana, sounds wonderful. I have only 'heard' great things about the Picoso. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shepherdspy Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 both great. you can't go wrong. sorry I don't have much more than that to add, but so much is rig dependent/ear dependent. I doubt one is "better" than the other, but one may be better for a particular rig or player. I have the Katana but i wouldn't hesitate to buy a Catalinbread effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Next to Nothing Posted December 1, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 thanks for the input, I appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonny guitar Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 I have a Katana and I couldn't be happier with the tone. Robert treated me like a God when I had a problem with the one that I purchased second hand....friggin unbelievable service!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members squareking Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 How's Denver? Haven't been back in a few years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members papa taco Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 Originally posted by jonny guitar I have a Katana and I couldn't be happier with the tone. Robert treated me like a God when I had a problem with the one that I purchased second hand....friggin unbelievable service!!!!! Well, your Jimi tattoo more or less does make you god yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonny guitar Posted December 1, 2005 Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 Originally posted by papa taco Well, your Jimi tattoo more or less does make you god yo. Too bad I don't have muscles to go with it -- to much playing and not enough pumping:( I think I should get a throbbing blue Led for my next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Next to Nothing Posted December 1, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 1, 2005 Originally posted by jimihalen How's Denver? Haven't been back in a few years.... It is great IMO. Now that the big rush of the '90's has subsided. Personally, I cant think of anywhere else I would live in the US. Could use some more snow though, winters are pretty lame last few years. Sounds like I will be getting the Katana. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robert Keeley Posted December 2, 2005 Members Share Posted December 2, 2005 One is a Jack Orman design, ala-Mini Booster (I hope I have the name right!) the other one, the Katana, is simple 2 stage JFET design. Like two 18V LPB-1 pedals but made with FETs and of much better parts and build quality. Jack's is taken from app notes and then made a real-world device instead of just "this should work fine". Mine is simple chapter one dumb brute force with an 18 volt charge pump....okay 16.5 volts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members gr8fuldodd Posted December 2, 2005 Members Share Posted December 2, 2005 Originally posted by Next to Nothing It is great IMO. Now that the big rush of the '90's has subsided. Personally, I cant think of anywhere else I would live in the US.Could use some more snow though, winters are pretty lame last few years. broncos will go down in SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 2, 2005 Members Share Posted December 2, 2005 Originally posted by RossCompress One is a Jack Orman design, ala-Mini Booster (I hope I have the name right!) the other one, the Katana, is simple 2 stage JFET design. Like two 18V LPB-1 pedals but made with FETs and of much better parts and build quality. Jack's is taken from app notes and then made a real-world device instead of just "this should work fine". Mine is simple chapter one dumb brute force with an 18 volt charge pump....okay 16.5 volts... Not the Mini-Booster (which I think was the name for the dual FET mu-amp arrangement Jack has in his "Analog Music Projects v1.1; Mini-booster Issue") It is more like the Mosfet Booster. Something like this: http://www.muzique.com/schem/mosfet.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joegrant413 Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by RossCompress One is a Jack Orman design, ala-Mini Booster (I hope I have the name right!) the other one, the Katana, is simple 2 stage JFET design. Like two 18V LPB-1 pedals but made with FETs and of much better parts and build quality. Jack's is taken from app notes and then made a real-world device instead of just "this should work fine". Mine is simple chapter one dumb brute force with an 18 volt charge pump....okay 16.5 volts... Howdy Robert! Question.... what is the Katana doing when the knob is pulled out? Same 'simple brute force', or is something else added to it? Take care, -- Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Surrealistic Brillo Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 I have 2 Katanas in my rig...one at the beginning of my pedal chain (but after the fuzz) and one at the end of my pedal chain. I couldn't be happier with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GorillaLover Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by Ty Gerhardt I have 2 Katanas in my rig...one at the beginning of my pedal chain (but after the fuzz) and one at the end of my pedal chain. I couldn't be happier with mine. that's what I'm talkin about!! maybe he should make a 2-in-1 version of his pedal ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kriegsemann Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 correct me if I am wrong Catalinbread, but I find that the SPP gets pretty gritty pretty easily. By about 2 o'clock on the boost I am getting grit and growl... from a 100w tonemaster with the volume at about 3.5. So it is not a uberclean boost the I assume the Katana is. It is called a "Stout boost" for a reason. And it kicks ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by Kriegsemann correct me if I am wrong Catalinbread, but I find that the SPP gets pretty gritty right pretty early. So it is not a uberclean boost the I assume the Katana is. It is called a "Stout boost" for a reason. And it kicks ass. It is not supposed to be a clean boost nope. Thus probably should be ommited. Here is the thing I have been rolling in my head over all night last night. Robert you call the voltage pump "brute force"... If you can integrate a charge pump in a clean boost while also keeping artifacts of proximity and routing hidden that is quite a degree of finesse! Brute force is using two batteries or specialized adapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Surrealistic Brillo Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by GorillaLover that's what I'm talkin about!! maybe he should make a 2-in-1 version of his pedal ... As long it has separate in's and out's for each channel. I have two because some overdrives and distortions sound best with a boost in front of them and some sound best with a boost after them. For instance...the Klon and the Keeley Modded Blues Driver are fairly similar in function in that they are a non-compressed style overdrive (in other words, they aren't TS clones). However when you push a Klon with a clean boost in front of it, it sounds amazing...put the same clean boost after it and it's not as sweet. The Keeley modded Blues driver on the other hand sounds OK with a clean boost in front of it, but it seems to be much happier with a clean boost after it. It's good to experiment with clean boost placement as it can really make a huge difference in shaping your sound when used in conjunction with other pedals. That's why I like to have a clean boost at the beginning and at the end of my signal chain...so I can get the best results out of a pedal when I boost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GorillaLover Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 yeah.. I found my Katana sounds best AFTER my Mosferatu.. wasn't that nice before it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Robert Keeley Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Catalinbread, I think I might learn my lesson of guessing and posting one of these days soon.... Dude, sorry if I said anything at all wrong about the design. Trust me, I know nothing and apologize for sure! The brute force was applied to just the simple series JFET parts to get enough voltage gain. Jack and many of the texts I have say a better way would have been to use a FET and then a BJT after it. THEN, I wouldn't have had to use a voltage doubler! Seems funny I would go through the trouble...but sometimes you just want to do things your own way and you want to experiment with something other than what the books say! Noise from the charge pump has not been a problem for me yet. I think it might be luck or just a close reading of the design notes, but whatever it is, I don't seem to have problems at all. And no problems mentioned from users...sometimes you never know until a guy is touring on stage night after night that there is a specific, peculiar noise problem, artifact, or occurance. Great to hear from you Ty! I agree with your pedal chain recommondations for sure!There are some I talk about until people puke, one is the TS9/Rat relationship....two very different sounds...and the BD2 or DS-1 followed by a TS9 circuit. Several pros (I think George Thoroughgood and maybe Brooks and Dunn by way of TMB and Katana) use the Katana in two positions... one as a distortion booster (early in the chain) ...one as a tube pusher (That's a guy standing on the corner that tries to get you hooked on tubes until you're robbing wine stores for your habit...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Great Waldo Pepper Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by RossCompress Catalinbread, I think I might learn my lesson of guessing and posting one of these days soon.... Dude, sorry if I said anything at all wrong about the design. Trust me, I know nothing and apologize for sure! Well hopefully you didn't take me wrong. I have only experimented with those 7660 for such a purpose. I can't even get that thing to shut up if I move it to a separate breadboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino bucket Posted December 3, 2005 Members Share Posted December 3, 2005 Originally posted by Next to Nothing I a thinking the Katana is the way to go from what I have read, but I was wondering what the experts here have to say about these two pedals compared?I have heard the Katana, sounds wonderful. I have only 'heard' great things about the Picoso.Thoughts? check and see if guitarx has one, could be playing one tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Next to Nothing Posted December 5, 2005 Author Members Share Posted December 5, 2005 Pardon my ignorance, but, what is 'guitarax'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhino bucket Posted December 6, 2005 Members Share Posted December 6, 2005 nice little guitar shop in denver, carries lots of pedals. GUITARX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Barnabyhuggins Posted December 6, 2005 Members Share Posted December 6, 2005 Yeah, it's at broadway and...arkansas I believe. 1452 S. Broadway. That store is an incredible gift to all us Denverites I know they carry Keeley stuff. I've definitely seen Katana's there. Catalinbread stuff? Not yet I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members edster Posted December 6, 2005 Members Share Posted December 6, 2005 Originally posted by catalinbread Not the Mini-Booster (which I think was the name for the dual FET mu-amp arrangement Jack has in his "Analog Music Projects v1.1; Mini-booster Issue") It is more like the Mosfet Booster. Something like this:http://www.muzique.com/schem/mosfet.htm Isn't that the circuit you used for the SCP? How does the SPP differ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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