Goddamn Immigration March

[MxOvd]

USA has demanded change in many countries, is it so bad if someone demands something changed in your country as well? Hablas Espanol?

[Mojambo]

I don't think Bush really has much control over the emmigration of jobs. After all, he's so supportive of his corporate friends and their "freedoms" to pollute our environment and lie to their shareholders, of course they're going to ship their jobs overseas, because it's cheaper. They don't care if it's hurting the country, because they're profiting off of it.

But I do agree that people should enter this country legally. It's like that bull{censored} movement where they're trying to pass a law that would make all illegal Irish immigrants suddenly legal citizens. The line needs to be drawn somewhere, I think.

[#16]

Originally posted by Lensrock Wow. {censored} you guys. And {censored} these assholes. If they can organize 300,000 people to march through Chicago, why don they organize 1,000,000 to march through Mexico City and demand social change in their own damn country. If we make all these illegals legal, we might as well erradicate the {censored}ing border system. And you're right my freshman year in high school isnt all that important, dousche.

I see a white hood and a tree, with a rope in your future!

:D

[fernmeister]

Originally posted by Lensrock I hate this bull{censored}. Its going to take me an hour to get to school today, and I only live 2 miles away. {censored}ers shut the whole goddamn city down.

 

 

2 miles?

 

walk you crybaby!

[Speed_Racer71]

Originally posted by phishmarisol See how important mexicans are to our economy!!!!!!111

 

 

LOL

 

NOT:mad:

[jove]

While some folks grandparents (or ancestors) came here illegally, the majority of them came thru legally and take great pride in that fact.

I can see why Mexicans have been running across the border. What would you do in there shoes? Probably the same damned thing.

The bigger problem is that we haven't invested enough money into stopping illegal immigration and setting up a better system to legally immigrate (or not) those who want in.

The subsequent problem is that we have catered extensively to the Spanish speaking population and in a sense, let people be lazy when it comes to learning the official language that unites us.

No one should work harder to be a good citizen than the immigrant. It's a rite of passage. Most of the day workers work harder than the avg. ol' skool American, so I'm not saying they don't labor. But many also choose not to culturally integrate, and that's an issue.

Listen I love ethnic food and culture and language for that much more than most things considered "American," but I'm a little sick of the overly liberal policy of accomodating those who come here and choose to remain separate.

If people in this country want to increase the # of immigrants that's fine.
Do so thru the legislative process.
Don't employ a double-standard of illegal immiration that gets rewarded by legal status.

Trust me, when the {censored} finally hits the can and the economy truly tanks, who's gonna get those jobs on the bottom that the day workers currently have?

[Speed_Racer71]

if the government would just do and not talk about it first ..it wouldnt be so much of a thing...its a lot easier to ask for forgiveness than permission..

[fernmeister]

Originally posted by Speed_Racer71 its a lot easier to ask for forgiveness than permission..

just ask any rapist or pedophile.

[NoirAbattoir]

Originally posted by ChitownTerror Nope. Came through Canada, jumped the border. My dad's family were political refugees from Czechoslovakia, but even they had to go through some mighty trying stuff to get citizenship.

 

 

I have Irish great-great grandparents who came through Novia Scotia.

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by Lensrock I never said anything about hating Mexican people, or being against them. It just seems pretty bull{censored} to demand rights and social change in a country you enetered illegally.

Hello, my name is Irony - and I currently live in occupied Iraq.


what's that about getting shot at?

[ChitownTerror]

For the last {censored}ing time...

Immigration does not mean exclusively Hispanic.

Sure there's a lot of hispanic immigrants in this country, that's what happens when your nation is founded as a colony of someone else's native home.

But immigration policy also affects Polish, Russian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian, and other major ethnic groups with more than their fair share of illegal immigrants.

Why aren't politicians addressing them? Why are we only concerned with Hispanics?

And, for the record, all of you that think it's easy to become a citizen legally, really need to brush up on naturalization proceedures and their revision post-9-11.

[ChitownTerror]

Originally posted by ColorsoundKid I have Irish great-great grandparents who came through Novia Scotia.

 

 

It was pretty common for Jewish and Irish immigrants who were denied entry at Ellis Island or other major ports-of-entry, I recall.

[Soloman Grundy]

Originally posted by jove While some folks grandparents (or ancestors) came here illegally, the majority of them came thru legally and take great pride in that fact. I can see why Mexicans have been running across the border. What would you do in there shoes? Probably the same damned thing. The bigger problem is that we haven't invested enough money into stopping illegal immigration and setting up a better system to legally immigrate (or not) those who want in. The subsequent problem is that we have catered extensively to the Spanish speaking population and in a sense, let people be lazy when it comes to learning the official language that unites us. No one should work harder to be a good citizen than the immigrant. It's a rite of passage. Most of the day workers work harder than the avg. ol' skool American, so I'm not saying they don't labor. But many also choose not to culturally integrate, and that's an issue. Listen I love ethnic food and culture and language for that much more than most things considered "American," but I'm a little sick of the overly liberal policy of accomodating those who come here and choose to remain separate. If people in this country want to increase the # of immigrants that's fine. Do so thru the legislative process. Don't employ a double-standard of illegal immiration that gets rewarded by legal status. Trust me, when the {censored} finally hits the can and the economy truly tanks, who's gonna get those jobs on the bottom that the day workers currently have?

 

 

i don't think many choose not to acculturate, it's just by the time they do acculturate, or their children do, there's already another generation that is completely unprepared to assilimilate. You can't see any progress because they keep coming. and it doesn't look like it's going to stop.

[sonaboy]

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i always get a kick out of listening to people go on and on about how "the mexicans" don't care to assmilate into our culture and all that garbage.

it's not like everyone from Europe (discounting countries that already spoke a variant of English) just jumped off the boats and took ESL classes and disappeared into the eurocentric working class happily ever after.
the struggle with assimilating cultures during the settling of the country through the industrial revolution is a long story of pain, corruption, violence and bigotry. stop whitewashing it as if the mexicans are causing way more problems than they're worth. that's ridiculous.

face it - there's ALWAYS going to be members of certain cultures that are never going to learn english.
the fact that they're catered to doesn't mean that they're tearing down the system brick by brick - they're looked at as most other people are by companies - as a consumer demographic.
if there's money to be made by these people, then they will have advertisements, products and services geared to them - end of story.

[MalcolmTex]

I don't want to live in a Hispanic country. If I did I would move to one. This is a very different America. At the turn of the century, there were no social services, no welfare. Folks who came over had to learn English and fit in however they could. Now it's different. Do you guys even realize what amnesty for 12-20 million of these criminals will mean? First off, brothers, sisters, children, cousins, aunts, uncles etc. will be allowed to come over. This will mean more like 40-50 million. The birthrates of Hispanics (nearly 100% Catholic and opposed to birth control) will swell the US population to 600 million in 20 years.
They come over here and make demands. THEY ARE FOREIGN NATIONALS AND SHOULD NOT DICTATE OUR DOMESTIC POLICY. Also, the smartass Canadians on this board should watch out, because you're next and believe me, your 60% tax rate, quasi-socialist, health-care-for-all system will break under the strain.

[Speed_Racer71]

i live in NC..we have the largest growing population of hispanics in the USA..whether they are legal or illegal...out city council said less than 2 wks ago they agree on the bill that the government wants to pass along with the building of that 700 mile wall

they said on the news friday..dont go downtown unless it is absoluetly necassary

so with that said..have a great day

[Soloman Grundy]

Originally posted by MalcolmTex I don't want to live in a Hispanic country. If I did I would move to one. This is a very different America. At the turn of the century, there were no social services, no welfare. Folks who came over had to learn English and fit in however they could. Now it's different. Do you guys even realize what amnesty for 12-20 million of these criminals will mean? First off, brothers, sisters, children, cousins, aunts, uncles etc. will be allowed to come over. This will mean more like 40-50 million. The birthrates of Hispanics (nearly 100% Catholic and opposed to birth control) will swell the US population to 600 million in 20 years. They come over here and make demands. THEY ARE FOREIGN NATIONALS AND SHOULD NOT DICTATE OUR DOMESTIC POLICY. Also, the smartass Canadians on this board should watch out, because you're next and believe me, your 60% tax rate, quasi-socialist, health-care-for-all system will break under the strain.

 

 

many europeans fit in by living in areas with high concentrations of people from the same countries. Italians in New York, for example.

 

It takes a few generations to catch up and whiten up. Many want to whiten up and even marry white people. There just doesn't seem to be an end to the amount of people coming from Mexico, so it will be hard for their status to improve as a whole.

 

Irish and Italians were once considered a different race from other whites. Just something I find pretty interesting.

 

The only thng different about Mexicans compared with other immigrants is that they're close to us. Asians are more successful because the already-successful Asians tend to come to America more often than the less successful. It's just harder to come from the other side of the world.

 

And yeah, these guys still have to buy their {censored} somewhere, too.

 

and regardless of religion, as (if) Mexicans become more successful, they will have less children. that's just how it works.

[jove]

If anyone read my post I did say that immigrants are coming here (illegally) because of need, not because it's fashionable.
So I have no problem with the human animal doing what it needs to do to survive and feed it's family.

What I do mind is hypocritical gov't. policies not doing what the law states.
And then we make accomodations for the fact.

I'm lucky, as are most of you, not to have to live like they do or walk across deserts and scammers and near-death experiences in order to get a job.

But I am saying that the country should buck-up or shut-up.

I work with a Polish guy who busted his ass for the last 10 yrs. to become a citizen. What does this say to him, who didn't cheat, didn't march to say give me what I want whtehr it's illegal or not.

Why not just put the Coast Guard boats in the harbor and send the INS on sick-leave for a year? Let everyone come in. Would that be the thing to do?

[NoirAbattoir]

Originally posted by MalcolmTex I don't want to live in a Hispanic country. If I did I would move to one. This is a very different America. At the turn of the century, there were no social services, no welfare. Folks who came over had to learn English and fit in however they could. Now it's different. Do you guys even realize what amnesty for 12-20 million of these criminals will mean? First off, brothers, sisters, children, cousins, aunts, uncles etc. will be allowed to come over. This will mean more like 40-50 million. The birthrates of Hispanics (nearly 100% Catholic and opposed to birth control) will swell the US population to 600 million in 20 years. They come over here and make demands. THEY ARE FOREIGN NATIONALS AND SHOULD NOT DICTATE OUR DOMESTIC POLICY. Also, the smartass Canadians on this board should watch out, because you're next and believe me, your 60% tax rate, quasi-socialist, health-care-for-all system will break under the strain.

 

 

At the turn of the century America was an awful place for children and poor people. Chill-out a bit and relax, America is evolving. Maybe if you were in a position where you actually connected with immigrants you would feel less worried. For the most part, they are mostly hardworking Christian people. Probably closer to your values than the snot-nosed, rich, white kids that refuse to adopt real values because it irks their parents. Those are the morons you should be worried about.

[jove]

Originally posted by ColorsoundKid At the turn of the century America was an awful place for children and poor people. Chill-out a bit and relax, America is evolving. Maybe if you were in a position where you actually connected with immigrants you would feel less worried. For the most part, they are mostly hardworking Christian people. Probably closer to your values than the snot-nosed, rich, white kids that refuse to adopt real values because it irks their parents. Those are the morons you should be worried about.

 

 

LOL!

[ChitownTerror]

Originally posted by ColorsoundKid At the turn of the century America was an awful place for children and poor people. Chill-out a bit and relax, America is evolving. Maybe if you were in a position where you actually connected with immigrants you would feel less worried. For the most part, they are mostly hardworking Christian people. Probably closer to your values than the snot-nosed, rich, white kids that refuse to adopt real values because it irks their parents. Those are the morons you should be worried about.

 

 

+20. CSK is dead on target with this one.

[ChitownTerror]

Originally posted by jove LOL!

 

 

You might want to read some statistics on child mortality, chief. It's pretty sobering.

[jove]

Originally posted by ChitownTerror You might want to read some statistics on child mortality, chief. It's pretty sobering.

[MalcolmTex]

Connected with immigrants???!! Excuse me, I'm a home builder. I build 100 houses per year and I never, ever use illegal labor. Never, not once, and never will. I still make money. So much for them doing jobs that "Americans" won't do. That's BS. We tried amnesty 3 times in the past and here we are at the crossroads again. This time it's many more people. Citizenship should be earned and those who come here legally should be rewarded. I'm tired of seeing 20 living in a house, parking in the front yard, walking up and down my street drunk and mamasitas with a bun in the oven and two in a carriage. All on my tax money. Also, when people say that illegals pay taxes, they are wrong. Illegals pay SALES tax, like every other visitor to the US, that's it.

[NoirAbattoir]

Originally posted by jove LOL!

 

 

What?