Members joncyberboy Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Right i'm having loads of volume issues with fuzzes and i just dont know why. 1st my gear: Epiphone Dot loaded with P90 in the neck----> Boss FZ-2 set to clean boost ----> USA Bog Muff or Zoom Ultra Fuzz ------> Ampeg VT-22. Now i get a great clean, a great overdrive and a great fuzz sound. But however high i have the volumes on the fuzzes i find when i kick them on i lose volume. Maybe only 5-10% but i always feel the dirt should be LOUDEr than the overdive sound. I have tried different amp settings (dont worry i use plenty of mids), different guitars, different fuzzes, but i always get the same problem. The only fix i can see is put the fuzz in a loop with an EQ doing a volume boost. Does anyone else have this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Noise... Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I can't speak for the Boss or Zoom, but I can assure you that the Big Muff doesn't have volume drop. Try just guitar>Big Muff>amp and see if there's a drop. Put all the knobs on the Big Muff at 1 o'clock. It should boost the volume a bit with those settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members morpha2 Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Last night I turned the tone knob on my Big Muff down to about 3 o'clock--it made a huge difference! The amp blows up with dirt--I had to turn the volume down on the Muff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 O, tried it all at 1 o'clock and its not so much the volume as the body/sound. It 'feels' quieter and is definitely not louder. Maybe i have a duff muff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members Noise... Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 O, tried it all at 1 o'clock and its not so much the volume as the body/sound. It 'feels' quieter and is definitely not louder.Maybe i have a duff muff? That's really odd. With mine on those settings it boosts the volume and sounds pretty massive. Try cranking the volume. with the other knobs at 1:00. This should be a big increase in volume when you turn it on. Are you testing this with ONLY the Muff in the chain? What are you using for a power supply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dmk Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 i've come across this with big muffs.i've owned 3 and all i've had a problem with them not being loud enough.people will tell you yours in broken, but its not.i ended up jumpering the resistor on the emitter of the final transistor. this gives an insane amount of volume available. i think the main problem you're coming up against is the mid scoop thats inherent to big muffs. you could change some stuff to even it out, or even add a slight boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 That's really odd. With mine on those settings it boosts the volume and sounds pretty massive. Try cranking the volume. with the other knobs at 1:00. This should be a big increase in volume when you turn it on.Are you testing this with ONLY the Muff in the chain?What are you using for a power supply? I'm using just the muff at the moment to keep it simple and am using a battery to power the pedal.I have tried a new battery too. hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 i've come across this with big muffs.i've owned 3 and all i've had a problem with them not being loud enough.people will tell you yours in broken, but its not.i ended up jumpering the resistor on the emitter of the final transistor. this gives an insane amount of volume available.i think the main problem you're coming up against is the mid scoop thats inherent to big muffs. you could change some stuff to even it out, or even add a slight boost. Ok this mod sounds like the way forward becuase i think you're right....the lack of mids is the problem. I tried an EQ after it with no volume boost but increased the mid range slightly. Huge difference! So do i want to mod if for more mids or more volume? What'd you suggest? Also i have no idea how to do these mods so are there online instructions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spentron Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 Most fuzz & distortion is designed to outvolume a normal pickup. They won't outdo a big clean boost, and even extra high-output pickups could be an issue if you play really hard. Other than that, there are still psychoacoustic issues and the amp could distort. I think neck pickup would also decrease subjective volume. The Muff's output section is designed to run as high as possible and still be clean at all settings -- output is highest with the tone on bass and bassy input, or tone on max and trebly input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bvester Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 I would try an EQ and/or a buffer or better clean boost in the beginning of the chain. What you're probably experiencing is a mid scoop which makes the tone a lot more distant, as a result of the natural EQ of a big muff. Also, if you're using overdrive into the fuzz, you'll tend to experience volume drop when the overdrive level is higher than the level of the fuzz pedal. I don't really know why this is..but it's happened to me before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Noise... Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 I would try an EQ and/or a buffer or better clean boost in the beginning of the chain. What you're probably experiencing is a mid scoop which makes the tone a lot more distant, as a result of the natural EQ of a big muff. Also, if you're using overdrive into the fuzz, you'll tend to experience volume drop when the overdrive level is higher than the level of the fuzz pedal. I don't really know why this is..but it's happened to me before.Same for me. When I set my Double-Muff to higher volume levels, I get volume drop from my Big Muff. It just seems to be an odd quirk. It doesn't happen when the Double-Muff is set slightly louder than my clean channel though. OP, have you tried simply boosting the mids on your amp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 Yep, i run the mids high on my amp. Seems like maybe i have quite high output pickups and maybe that's an issue and why it seems to also effect my Zoom UltraFuzz. Maybe i need to switch them out for something weaker. Also the EQ thing seems to make sense to me. If i have the Muff with tone all the way down there isn;lt such a problem with volume drop, but i just dont like the fact i miss so many of the highs! I like the tone around 11 o'clock, the drive the same and i have the volume for now all the way up. I guess maybe i should put the muff in a TB loop with an EQ right after boosting mids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members digital Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 i used to have this problem with low output neck pickups... not so on bridge pickups... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dmk Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 you can add a pot to control the amount of scoop, in a kinda crude way.i've done it and it sounds pretty cool really. you need to change a resistor in the tone control section.its usually a 39k resistor (orange white orange i think), take this out and put a 50k pot in its place. that pot will go from even more scoop than standard to a pretty hefty mid boost.enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 Are there sites deatailing Big Muff mods etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dmk Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 the forum at www.diystompboxes.com is great. full of really helpful people and some true genius's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joncyberboy Posted December 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 Cheers mate i appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerseyboy62 Posted December 7, 2007 Members Share Posted December 7, 2007 Right i'm having loads of volume issues with fuzzes and i just dont know why.1st my gear:Epiphone Dot loaded with P90 in the neck----> Boss FZ-2 set to clean boost ----> USA Bog Muff or Zoom Ultra Fuzz ------> Ampeg VT-22.Now i get a great clean, a great overdrive and a great fuzz sound. But however high i have the volumes on the fuzzes i find when i kick them on i lose volume. Maybe only 5-10% but i always feel the dirt should be LOUDEr than the overdive sound.I have tried different amp settings (dont worry i use plenty of mids), different guitars, different fuzzes, but i always get the same problem. The only fix i can see is put the fuzz in a loop with an EQ doing a volume boost.Does anyone else have this problem? Stupid Question- Have you tried switching your pedal order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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