Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 What is YOUR theoretical setup? How would you, personally, route these if they ALL needed to be in a chain? (all True Bypass) Reverb Chorus Fuzz Overdrive Tremolo Volume Digital Delay Analog Delay Pitch Shifter/Vibrato (either/or) Looper Octave Bit Crusher Ring Modulator 1/2 Buffers Compressor Phaser Boost Personally, Fuzz -> Buffer -> Compressor -> Overdrive -> Octave -> Bit Crusher -> Ring Modulator -> Phaser -> Chorus -> Pitch Shifter/Vibrato -> Tremolo -> Volume -> Looper -> Digital Delay -> Analog Delay -> Reverb -> Boost -> Buffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members easyliver Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 i wouldn't know what to use half those pedals for, LOL someone like me can appreciate this though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I can't be bothered to put them in specific order, but pretty much these before the amp: Compressor, Boost, Phaser, Fuzz, Overdrive, Octave. and these in the FX loop: Volume, Chorus, Tremolo, Pitch Shifter/Vibrato Digital Delay, Analog Delay, (either/or), Bit Crusher, Ring Modulator, Looper, Reverb, Dunno what 1/2 Buffers means. Having that many pedals hooked up will sound like ass even if they're all off. I'd probably put 2-3 pedals in true bypass loops to reduce the signal path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Having that many pedals hooked up will sound like ass even if they're all off. I'd probably put 2-3 pedals in true bypass loops to reduce the signal path. 3" cable in between pedals + TB + 2 buffers = 6ft of cable. If 6ft of cable plus 2 buffers can sound like ass, you must be using the highest cap cable I have ever heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 i wouldn't know what to use half those pedals for, LOL someone like me can appreciate this though... And to think I was considering putting noise generators, evnelope filters, and artifact manipulators on there as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lanefair Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Just play your setup with 17 pedals plugged in, then play it without, and listen out for how your guitar interacts with the amp with all that extra stuff going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Crxsh Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 My choice: Overdrive > Fuzz > Overdrive/Distortion/Boost -> Tremolo -> Volume -> Digital Delay -> Analog Delay -> Reverb -> Looper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Just play your setup with 17 pedals plugged in, then play it without, and listen out for how your guitar interacts with the amp with all that extra stuff going on. That's my point, with TB, its literally as if they weren't even there. There is no "extra stuff" besides 2 buffers. Just because it looks big and like "a lot" to the eye doesn't change physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rdm Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Having that many pedals in a signal chain would most likely require more than just 2 buffers to preserve the signal. I personally wouldn't run anything into a loop with all those pedals. I'd just run them all in front of the amp. But....that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Having that many pedals in a signal chain would most likely require more than just 2 buffers to preserve the signal. The main factor in any signal chain for noise degradation is your cable. The pedals, when switched off, have a micro ohm impact on the signal. 30ft decent cables can have somewhere around a 1 ohm resistance... meaning that if you were to get rid of cable, and chain TB pedals jack to jack to each other, it would require 1,000,000 TB pedals to affect the signal as much as a 30ft cable. It's just that, to our eyes, we see tons of surface area and pedals so we equate surface area/area = signal loss. This is not the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rdm Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 The main factor in any signal chain for noise degradation is your cable. The pedals, when switched off, have a micro ohm impact on the signal. 30ft decent cables can have somewhere around a 1 ohm resistance... meaning that if you were to get rid of cable, and chain TB pedals jack to jack to each other, it would require 1,000,000 TB pedals to affect the signal as much as a 30ft cable.It's just that, to our eyes, we see tons of surface area and pedals so we equate surface area/area = signal loss. This is not the case at all. Tell Pete Cornish that. But hey....whatever works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rdm Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I guess my reasoning, and the reasoning shared by others is that if you have 10 pedals, all TB that are connected with 1ft cables and 2 cables that are 21ft long...you'll have 51 ft of cable seperating your guitar from your amp. I think any audio signal traveling that far would be impacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members QuestionableMan Posted June 5, 2008 Author Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 I guess my reasoning, and the reasoning shared by others is that if you have 10 pedals, all TB that are connected with 1ft cables and 2 cables that are 21ft long...you'll have 51 ft of cable seperating your guitar from your amp. I think any audio signal traveling that far would be impacted. I agree 100%. However I was thinking more along the lines of 1-3" straight jack lava cable connections... so in my head, I wasn't going over maybe 3ft of interconnect max (with 17 pedals). Either way, It's that damn 42ft of guitar cable that is causing most of the problem, and 1 buffer per 22.5 ft of cable actually seems a little overkill... (but so does 17 pedals in a chain ) I think, from what I've read, Pete Cornish's case is "true bypass without a buffer will seriously degrade your signal," which I believe we can all agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rdm Posted June 5, 2008 Members Share Posted June 5, 2008 Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommyld Posted June 6, 2008 Members Share Posted June 6, 2008 Holy. Wouldn't ever put all that in one chain. But compressors and fuzzes near the front. Modulation like the MicroPOG after. Then a tremolo. Then delay/looper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mr benn Posted June 6, 2008 Members Share Posted June 6, 2008 get analogman to build you a TB loop switcher/AB box so you can punch in/out all this... ChorusTremoloVolumeDigital DelayPitch Shifter/Vibrato (either/or)LooperOctaveBit CrusherRing ModulatorPhaserBoost in one click of a switch,it'll cut down tapdancing and the lenght of the signal chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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