Members spoonie g Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hide your boo boos under a nice bandaid and no one will know A bandaid isn't a substitute for healthy skills someday you have to take the bandaid off and walk on your own don't be ashamed of your scars and imperfections and wrap yourself up like a mummy all the time Thats what Ive always told David Gilmour. Maybe someday he'll get rid of that ridiculous amount of effects and become a real guitarist. I mean, come on. What a joke he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted October 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thats what Ive always told David Gilmour. Maybe someday he'll get rid of that ridiculous amount of effects and become a real guitarist. I mean, come on. What a joke he is. do you really consider gilmour's delay use "excessive effects"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 do you really consider gilmour's delay use "excessive effects"? If you couldnt tell I was being sarcastic. He has used effects quite a bit throughout his career and definitely not just delay. And have you seen his live rig? My point was that it is not excessive. Its only a problem if you use it as creativity instead of using the effect creatively. Another perfect example is tom morello. That man could outshred anyone on this board, yet he often instead uses an effect in a perfect textural context that speaks something sonically. Its about context and how you use it, not just "using effects." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members (⌐■_■) Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Johnny Marr is probably the person I look up to most for his healthy balance of skill and effects use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FuzzShifter Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 do you really consider gilmour's delay use "excessive effects"? The effects use of Pink Floyd is nothing short of amazing. Maybe if we were picking on sonic youth or my bloody valentine, the context would be more clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Mars Volta or Fugazi? Fugazi by a long shot. But I don't think effects are Volta's problem. I think it is the sheer amounts of drugs they take, the lack of dynamics, timing, or really anything music related in their "music." As for effects vs. no effects, I like to hear guitars, but I also like to hear what people can come up with using effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 The effects use of Pink Floyd is nothing short of amazing.Maybe if we were picking on sonic youth or my bloody valentine, the context would be more clear. Sonic Youth doesn't really use a whole lot of effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kismet78 Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 I like to hear music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted October 21, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Another perfect example is tom morello. That man could outshred anyone on this board. really? I think he's kind of weak on guitar... I'm sure he can "outshred" me or some others here but yeah... bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FuzzShifter Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Sonic Youth doesn't really use a whole lot of effects. When you play fuzzy feedback, instead of guitar? EDIT: Is there a prerequisite number of effects that must be used, in order to cover "suck" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 When you play fuzzy feedback, instead of guitar? EDIT: Is there a prerequisite number of effects that must be used, in order to cover "suck" ? I don't know, how many effects do you use? Whatever that number is. Yeah they do use fuzz and stuff on the noise parts, but most of the guitar parts are straight up guitar playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FuzzShifter Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 I don't know, how many effects do you use? Whatever that number is. Yeah they do use fuzz and stuff on the noise parts, but most of the guitar parts are straight up guitar playing. Fair enough.Fuzz is the number one band-aid, helping kids that don't know open chords for forty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rabott13 Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Effects are the instrument, the guitar just happens to be the trigger of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members red_riviera Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Johnny Marr is probably the person I look up to most for his healthy balance of skill and effects use +1:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Destructobot Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well, maybe not quite, but I DO agree that it's a cover up for a less than good sounding amp in a lot of cases. Everyone who owns a bunch of effects but doesn't absolutely love the sound of their amp all by itself has some messed up priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members spoonie g Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 really? I think he's kind of weak on guitar...I'm sure he can "outshred" me or some others here but yeah... bad example. Its called having "taste." Just because you can shred doesnt mean you should. The 80's taught us that. I can do some mean shredding but youll rarely ever see me do it in my music. It has little place there. Morello used to practice for 6 hours a day when he went to harvard. Ive seen him show a little of what he can do live and he's a machine. That being said, being able to shred has little to nothing to do with how creative or how good a songwriter you are. In fact, usually it turns out the opposite way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SpectralJulian Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fair enough. Fuzz is the number one band-aid, helping kids that don't know open chords for forty years. I use fuzz on open chords! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bayliss Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'd call Pro Tools the great bandaid, even more so. I can't play guitar worth a damn, but I can splice together wav files like nobody's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NITEFLY182 Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hide your boo boos under a nice bandaid and no one will knowA bandaid isn't a substitute for healthy skillssomeday you have to take the bandaid off and walk on your owndon't be ashamed of your scars and imperfections and wrap yourself up like a mummy all the time I think this can be a general truth but there are a great deal of exceptions and with maturity in playing comes more mature use of effects. Bottom line - if you are a terrible player with poor technique, its going to show through everything but really heavy fuzz so effects are just going to exaggerate your flaws. However, use of a simple tone and something like tremolo or chorus might require you to play better than you might otherwise play or your playing wont sync with the LFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Naterel Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fugazi by a long shot.But I don't think effects are Volta's problem. I think it is the sheer amounts of drugs they take, the lack of dynamics, timing, or really anything music related in their "music." As for effects vs. no effects, I like to hear guitars, but I also like to hear what people can come up with using effects. Well my point was that Omar runs thru his huge ass pedal board and makes interesting music, while Ian runs straight into the amp and also makes interesting music So are effects really a bandaid or a band aid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members indigoguy Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 When you play fuzzy feedback, instead of guitar?EDIT: Is there a prerequisite number of effects that must be used, in order to cover "suck" ? I dunno, how many do you use? EDIT: oops i see spectraljulian beat me to the punch there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miggy01 Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 Mars Volta or Fugazi?mars volta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members indigoguy Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 mars volta HERESY!!! :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miggy01 Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 the lack of dynamics, timing, or really anything music related in their "music." HIGHLY debatable. Highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Holey Lint Trap Posted October 21, 2008 Members Share Posted October 21, 2008 The analogy doesn't work perfectly... but think of FX like spices -- your playing is the actual food, but FX add flavor and texture to the main ingredients. I disagree with this. In cooking knowing how to season properly is the key component between a cook and a person that applies heat to edible objects. I think using effects would be using fancy knives, mandolines, saucier pans, and crepe pans. They are all awesome, but they are not necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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