Members Kid_A Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 I have a Bad Cat Black Cat head that has two independant inputs... channel one is the clean classic EL84 sound, and Channel 2 is the EF86 crunch sound... the head also has a shared master volume. Could I use an A/B/Y box to select either or both channels? This is probably a very dumb question but I have never had an amp to do this with before... I was thinking the shared master volume might be an issue, or noise? If this works it'l be like finding out I have been given a new amp for the cost of a switcher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MegaTom Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 I've done this with my Deluxe Reverb with pleasing results, but only with A/B... the channels are out of phase with each other, so the Y function was very muted. There is no master volume the DRRI though, so I'm not sure how much of an issue that might be for you... does your amp's channels have their own volume as well as the shared master? If so, I don't think there would be much of an issue there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Have you got any stereo pedals lying around? You could try using the Left and Right outputs and hooking each one to a separate channel input to see what happens. If you want to borrow an ABY box to test with the Black Cat, I can send you my Monkey FX ABY box, just mail it back to me afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 23, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 Ahh the phase problem! Good point! Andy, really appreciate that mate ta I'll try the m13 and see how the stereo outs work then I'll be in touch. That's a bloody shame about the Y possibly not working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeartfeltDawn Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 The Y function might have been muted because you're presenting half the input to each channel. It's no different to using two individual amps with the Y output. In AB mode, each amp on its own sounds louder than when it's used in Y mode with the other amp. Well, it does with my ABY box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RoboPimp Posted September 23, 2009 Members Share Posted September 23, 2009 The Y function might have been muted because you're presenting half the input to each channel. It's no different to using two individual amps with the Y output. In AB mode, each amp on its own sounds louder than when it's used in Y mode with the other amp. Well, it does with my ABY box also the channels on fender amps with reverb are out of phase with each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 also the channels on fender amps with reverb are out of phase with each otherI actually knew this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rydia is hot Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 you should be able to do this without any problem. i ran my old hotcat like that with no phase issues at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jacobhf Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Yes it'll work and it'll sound glorious! I used to do it with the black cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 WOOOOOOOOO!!! Thanks! Cant wait to try this out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Down Denmark Street you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 These anygood? I like the no power thing... i dont need ANY more plugs onstage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Down Denmark Street you go... Nah never again.... {censored}ing hate it... wunjos is always gona be good, but its the other places that put me off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Loobs Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 No doubt. V&R and Wunjo are the only half decent places. The rest are total dog{censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alt-me Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 You got good ears for on-stage no-LED troubleshooting??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 You got good ears for on-stage no-LED troubleshooting??? hmmmm... point taken. Any other recommendations then? Maybe a battery operated switcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MegaTom Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 The Y function might have been muted because you're presenting half the input to each channel. It's no different to using two individual amps with the Y output. In AB mode, each amp on its own sounds louder than when it's used in Y mode with the other amp. Well, it does with my ABY box also the channels on fender amps with reverb are out of phase with each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alt-me Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I have that cheapo artec one that takes batteries, no buffer, all the battery is for is an LED, so the battery will last ages... I know *cough*Boss*cough* do an AB switcher too... though neither of these options have Y switching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andreas Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 If you don't want batteries, and don't need to switch (i.e. a constant "Y" split), I'd look at the Lehle P-split II. It will do the isolated outputs thing (which might not be an issue, as you'll be using both outputs with the same amp, but anyway) and can phase-reverse one output, should you need it. It should also prevent impedance issues when splitting to both inputs, even if you split right from the guitar (with no buffered pedals in front of the split). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SmelltheGlove Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 If you don't want batteries, and don't need to switch (i.e. a constant "Y" split), I'd look at the Lehle P-split II. It will do the isolated outputs thing (which might not be an issue, as you'll be using both outputs with the same amp, but anyway) and can phase-reverse one output, should you need it. It should also prevent impedance issues when splitting to both inputs, even if you split right from the guitar (with no buffered pedals in front of the split). Highly recommended. I have one basically brand new that I'm probably going to sell (pm if interested:cool:) - I had the red little dual, bought the P-Split in an attempt to simplify, then decided that I want the ability switch between and combine the channels after all, so going back to the little dual. The P-Split II works flawlessly for what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kid_A Posted September 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 25, 2009 hmmmm, thanks for the info on the lehle... but i reckon i do want the ability to have the option of both channels... might take Andy up on his offer sooner rather than later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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