Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I was thinking about getting a true bypass looper with my new effects line. It along with all the extra cables needed to run the pedals through it, the addition can become pretty costly! The pedals are on order but I do not have them all here yet to hear for myself..and I would hate for them to arrive and my signal be all jacked up, then have to wait a couple more weeks to use them live.. so here are the pedals...they are all small 'standard' sized.. w/ BBE Supa Charger power supply If anyone knows of a specific one of these pedals that create tone suck or signal noise?? I haven't read any bad reviews except on for the occasional 'popping' on the PitchBlack..but apparently this isn't in all PB's..so that's luck of the draw I guess. Any knowledge or advise is greatly appreciated. Other than that what are your thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Akridosity Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 Do you hear the tone suck yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I don't have all my pedals yet. The Riot, Pfieffer, and Deltalab Chorus are in the mail. and I haven't ordered the pitchblack..still debating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 That isn't "8 true bypass pedals' anyway. MXR, Arion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imbuedblue Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 When running all true bypass pedals, it is cable length that sucks tone. Using low capacitance cable helps on longer runs. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are running over 50ft of cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 When running all true bypass pedals, it is cable length that sucks tone. Using low capacitance cable helps on longer runs. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are running over 50ft of cable. New info..the MXR boost and MXR blue box aren't true bypass. Any change of opinion?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 That isn't "8 true bypass pedals' anyway.MXR, Arion... The chorus is actually a Deltalab. And I wasn't sure if MXR was or not I bought them used. I haven't heard any complaints of MXR..do you know of any problems with them?? I figured since the MXR Boost/Line Driver is a buffer it wouldn't affect the signal if it's not TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imbuedblue Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 New info..the MXR boost and MXR blue box aren't true bypass. Any change of opinion?? Still wouldn't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members comrade_jon Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I vote stop worrying, plug in, go at the very loudest you plan to go with effects, then do straight through to amp. Sounds worse? Then come back here and worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I don't really see what you are worrying about. I'd be suprised if you notice anything at all. You might notice a bit of extra noise, but nothing out of the ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I vote stop worrying, plug in, go at the very loudest you plan to go with effects, then do straight through to amp. Sounds worse? Then come back here and worry. nice..lol will do. we practice virtually as loud as a show so I should know by this weekend!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members macadood Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 yea, nothing to worry about here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 nice..lol will do. we practice virtually as loud as a show so I should know by this weekend!! ..but don't expect there to be no difference at all... if you want some kind of 'pure tone' use a short lead and go straight into your amp, adding 8 boxes of electronics into your audio signal between your guitar and amp and an extra 15 or 20 foot of cables will make a difference, even if it is slight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I'm with Melx on not worrying. I've never had an MXR, but if they use buffers then that should help your signal if anything.When running all true bypass pedals, it is cable length that sucks tone. Using low capacitance cable helps on longer runs. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are running over 50ft of cable.I'd respectfully disagree with this. The more components your signal goes through, the more the high end is likely to suffer. This is why it's good to have at least one buffered pedal in your chain, to boost/preserve the highs. But yeah, tons of cable is when noise will become more of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imbuedblue Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 ..but don't expect there to be no difference at all... if you want some kind of 'pure tone' use a short lead and go straight into your amp, adding 8 boxes of electronics into your audio signal between your guitar and amp and an extra 15 or 20 foot of cables will make a difference, even if it is slight. +1. Also, give the new set up some time. If you expect to hear a difference, your brain may magnify the slight difference. Just play. If it becomes a noticable problem over time, then come back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imbuedblue Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I'd respectfully disagree with this. The more components your signal goes through, the more the high end is likely to suffer. This is why it's good to have at least one buffered pedal in your chain, to boost/preserve the highs. But yeah, tons of cable is when noise will become more of an issue. Do you understand what true bypass means? When a true bypass pedal is bypassed, the signal goes direct from input to output jack, not through the components in the pedals. It is the capacitance in the cables that is causing the "high end...to suffer" which is what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members melx Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 Do you understand what true bypass means? When a true bypass pedal is bypassed, the signal goes direct from input to output jack, not through the components in the pedals. It is the capacitance in the cables that is causing the "high end...to suffer" which is what I said. To be fair I think he meant Jack plugs/Jacks sockets/Switches, not board components. 8 TB pedals means 8 switches, 16 jack sockets and the wire between the sockets and the switches and the patch cords... I'm sure some people would hear a difference with their signal running through that lot. It's not something I'd worry about myself, but I know some people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imbuedblue Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 To be fair I think he meant Jack plugs/Jacks sockets/Switches, not board components. 8 TB pedals means 8 switches, 16 jack sockets and the wire between the sockets and the switches and the patch cords... I'm sure some people would hear a difference with their signal running through that lot. It's not something I'd worry about myself, but I know some people do. Ah. I can dig that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sleepersurprise Posted August 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 I'd respectfully disagree with this. The more components your signal goes through, the more the high end is likely to suffer. This is why it's good to have at least one buffered pedal in your chain, to boost/preserve the highs. But yeah, tons of cable is when noise will become more of an issue. I really like the clean boost on the MXR MC401 for boosting solo's..I wasn't planning on using the Lind Driver for a 'buffer' pedal. The MXR MC401 is a non-TB booster/buffer..will the buffer side of the pedal still take effect when the pedal is off?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MrChrisos Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yep, sorry, I meant the switches/solder/contact points in general. keeping a boss pedal in my chain brightens up the treble - I use my neck HB a lot so I probably miss it more than most, not much treble to begin with. Not familiar with the MC401 I'm afraid, but unless there's a specific on/off switch for the buffer on the pedal, it'll most likely be on at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ToadWorks Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 Anything after 3 true-bypass pedals in series, and I can start to hear high-end loss. But like the guy said, those are not all TB pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andreas Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 What matters - besides your own experience (if you can't hear a difference, it's not a problem) - is the non-TB pedals are buffered or not. The MXR Blue Box is not buffered, and can cause tone loss if the guitar "sees" it directly. Same for the boost (assuming it's a Micro Amp - the CAE boost is TB). I don't know about the Deltalab chorus either.You may find that having a buffered pedal somewhere in the chain (preferably in front of the Blue Box) helps you keep the same sound as going straight to amp. But as others have already said - when you get the pedals, try them first. Then, if you don't feel there's a problem, there isn't /Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members macadood Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 it is the CAE from what i get. he said its got the line driver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members andreas Posted August 18, 2010 Members Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ok, then it's true bypass. It'll work as a line driver when turned on and set to unity gain, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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