Members woodsmandan Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 I searched the forums and the reviews about this...tons of useful info but not specifically about this: I'm looking for a cheap tube combo for stage use. I owned both the Classic 30 and a Fender Super Reverb 1976...liked them both, and from what i know about the Classic 50/410, it would fit somewhere between the two, wich would be perfect for 75% of what i play. No problem there. The problem is the other 25% comes from a hard rock/alt rock/punk rock/metal cover band i play in. It goes from RATM to SOAD to Anthrax to Punk...you see the picture... I don't want to reproduce these tones, when i play metal, it is with a stock standard Telecaster or a Squier '51 (strange i know, but it makes me cut trough the mix and a Tele in drop D is a mean beast...!)...but i want my amp to be able to handle a bit of gain without farting or being too "slack". So ther eis my question: with the right pedal, can the C50/410 behave well with high gain?...or am i better to look at the Valve King, wich i fear will lack in the bluesy-classic rock register compared to a C50/410... Thanks for reading...i'm a very new member, but i come in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yourguitarhero Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 I doubt it. 4x10" open back, classic gain voicing - I mean you'll get there, but it won't be jaw-dropping. Maybe you could pick up some kind of Line 6 for your metal stuff (a pod or something?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tele The Truth Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Sure it can do higain.......with the right pedal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members woodsmandan Posted November 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 ...anyone here ever done metal live with a C50/410 with good results?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimLyons Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Our... former rhythm guitar player used a Classic 50 4x10 combo. It didn't do the metal tones at all. That said, he didn't know how to take care of a tube amp, so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Knut E Evenmo Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Disclaimer: I`m talking a "Live" situation here. My friend, the singer of our Metallica tribute band, used a Classic 2x12 on a gig, and the chain was Gibbo Faded --> Peavey. Perfect crunch. Sounded big and unrelenting through the PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SHIVmongrel Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 sure it can...but 'metal' is so subjective that you'll have plenty of people say otherwise fwiw...running through a closed-back cab will definitely help tighten up the bottom, but it's not by any means required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members woodsmandan Posted November 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by SHIVmongrel sure it can...but 'metal' is so subjective that you'll have plenty of people say otherwise...so true !...i had a hard time convince my fellow "metalish" band mates that i could use my Telecaster with them...and now they love how i sound "different" than most metal guitarists......as i usually play in a more later zz top kinda tone (think rhythmeen vibe), i tend to bring that with me when it's time to play metal...and i like sounding differentso the tone of a pedal-boosted C50/410 should be just fine for me, but what worries me is the response...like in the metal up/down picking a la Damageg Inc. ...will it be too slack sounding?and thanks for the replies every one...very appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tele The Truth Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by woodsmandan Originally posted by SHIVmongrel so the tone of a pedal-boosted C50/410 should be just fine for me, but what worries me is the response...like in the metal up/down picking a la Damageg Inc. ...will it be too slack sounding? IMO, the 4x10 speakers have a tighter bass and are punchier than the 2x12 combo. That's one of the things that attracted me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members harmonix Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 hi- that's exactly what i was trying to do- a couple of years ago i had that vintage club 50 4x10- i was very happy with the amp but trying to play hi gain with it absolutely didn't satisfy me- i've tried almost every pedal out there but i never got any close to a good metal tone. so i sold it and bought a laney gh100l plus 4x12. ... i will forever regret it!!! ...keep the amp- get a tonelab se that should do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members -=MYK=- Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 You could try an overdrive pedal SD-1, or a Tubescreamer type would work well. I used to use an openback 2x12 combo with a Boss Heavy Metal pedal, and once you turned it up it turned into a beast, really heavy with just the right amount of gain, wasn't as gained out as a metal zone for sure. If you want a modeler that's cool, but I'd hold back and try to stick with tubes, modeling technology isn't quite good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zappa74 Posted November 18, 2005 Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 Originally posted by woodsmandan ...as i usually play in a more later zz top kinda tone (think rhythmeen vibe) Thats a good {censored}in vibe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members woodsmandan Posted November 18, 2005 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2005 ...the Rev Billy G. is still the undisputed master of tone 'n groove to me... but gotta play those metal riffs if i wanna play live around here m/:mad: m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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