Members SFW Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Ok, here a question that I would seriously appreciate some help with: How does John Petrucci get such a liquid quality to his lead tones on the last two DT discs? I know that he uses DR RKs on these albums, so what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by SFW Ok, here a question that I would seriously appreciate some help with: How does John Petrucci get such a liquid quality to his lead tones on the last two DT discs? I know that he uses DR RKs on these albums, so what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheDirtyCat Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by Shiny_Surface I like the Mark IV for liquid lead tones...don't you have a Mark IV? Here's a clip I did recently where the leads were a Mark IV lead channel without EQ engaged...raw liquid lead tone IMO . http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=18891 For a rectifier series I would recommend some sort of clean boost pedal to help smooth out the tone..... Cool stuff! I think the trick is to make sure you are using lots of reverb and delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fastplant Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 I think alot of his tone comes from his playing style too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheDirtyCat Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Oh yeah. If you want to here another good liquid lead tone go to http://www.myspace.com/marcelcoenen and listen to La bella mira!!Amazing lead tone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFW Posted January 6, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by Shiny_Surface I like the Mark IV for liquid lead tones...don't you have a Mark IV? Yes, I have a Mark IV. However, at the moment, for the band I play in the TOV is a better fit. Until I can afford the mondo amount of rack gear that it would take to switch between the two heads, I have to figure out a way to get my lead tone a bit smoother. Not that I hate my lead tone, I just want to improve upon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StevieRaveOn Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by TheDirtyCat Cool stuff! I think the trick is to make sure you are using lots of reverb and delay Ditto, that's what I was about to say... and used very well. It seems these folks can dial a patch in well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members desiderium Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 i think a lot of it has to do with his neck pickup too... when i saw them live he switched to it for several solos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LaXu Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Supercompressed tone with plenty of delay and reverb. If I remember correctly he has gain on ten for his leads. IMO his current tone just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shiny_Surface Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by SFW Yes, I have a Mark IV. However, at the moment, for the band I play in the TOV is a better fit. Until I can afford the mondo amount of rack gear that it would take to switch between the two heads, I have to figure out a way to get my lead tone a bit smoother. Not that I hate my lead tone, I just want to improve upon it. Try a clean boost pedal, it will help IMO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 He uses reverb on his lead tones? I just thought a load of delay. I don't think JP uses a boost with his RK rig. He used a fulltone fulldrive with his IIC+ rig I believe. I really like his current tone, and really want that lead tone, but I can't get it liquid enough. Even with a clean boost, and an improvement in my technique, it's still not as liquid as his.. hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheDirtyCat Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by desiderium i think a lot of it has to do with his neck pickup too... when i saw them live he switched to it for several solos. yep. This will give you a smoother tone. The bridge pickup is better for rythem really.I find its best to use the bridge pickup for any low notes and as you start playing further up the fret board switch to neck pickup.If you've ever seen michael angelo live you will see him doing a run low down and he will switch to the neck pickup just before he starts playing higher up the fret board for a smoother sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by TheDirtyCat yep. This will give you a smoother tone. The bridge pickup is better for rythem really.I find its best to use the bridge pickup for any low notes and as you start playing further up the fret board switch to neck pickup.If you've ever seen michael angelo live you will see him doing a run low down and he will switch to the neck pickup just before he starts playing higher up the fret board for a smoother sound. I also +1 this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dughaze Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by TheDirtyCat yep. This will give you a smoother tone. The bridge pickup is better for rythem really.I find its best to use the bridge pickup for any low notes and as you start playing further up the fret board switch to neck pickup.If you've ever seen michael angelo live you will see him doing a run low down and he will switch to the neck pickup just before he starts playing higher up the fret board for a smoother sound. You are giving away me and the Petrucci's secrets!!!! Actually, sometimes I like the sound of the neck pickup for those leads and sometimes it sounds liquidy and kind of wimpy so it depends on where my ears are at that day whether the neck pickup sounds good for leads to me. When I first started listening thwe the early DT stuff I loved the MarkII rhythm hard crunchy stuff and then disliked the Santana-like droney lead style he does with the neck pickup. Then it started to grow on me I guess...but only sometimes. There's no free lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 4nkam Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 I think it's a combo of things. The Roadking is there, but he adds lots of stuff to spice up the tone. Delay, comp, etc and you gotta take his guitar wood and pickup choices into consideration too. Like mentioned above, he also uses the neck position a lot for leads. On one young guitar vid, he demos his TOT rig going through cleans to distortion and you can hear his "dry" leads (with a touch of delay) to really wet lead tones. MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AleXM Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 marcel coenen is a monster man.. i like his style and tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members shreder75 Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 he also has his pickups mounted VERRRY low...they're mounted right to the body..I know cause I have his EBMM =) so keep that in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 He does use a compressor in front of the amp also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by Shask He does use a compressor in front of the amp also. with the Road Kings even? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 4nkam Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 He does at the clinics. Isn't his gate also a comp? MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JKD Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 If you're using a Recto series amp...turn the Presence waaay down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Random Hero Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by 4nkam He does at the clinics. Isn't his gate also a comp?MJ ahh yeh, you're right. What gate/comp does he use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 4nkam Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 dbx 266xl I think. MJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StevieRaveOn Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by SFW Yes, I have a Mark IV. However, at the moment, for the band I play in the TOV is a better fit. Until I can afford the mondo amount of rack gear that it would take to switch between the two heads, I have to figure out a way to get my lead tone a bit smoother. Not that I hate my lead tone, I just want to improve upon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shask Posted January 6, 2006 Members Share Posted January 6, 2006 Originally posted by StevieRaveOn You cant use that to switch 2 heads into 1 cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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