Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 I have two Matchless heads and one orange 2x12 cabinet. You get the picture.I know the extra jack in the cab is generally for running to another cab, But; I hooked it up, 8 ohm output on both amps, one to the right input, the other to the left (the inputes arent labeled on the orange, so I assumed it was a stereo operation, I did it cautiously with the volume down). Surprisingly, I lowered and raised each volume (very low volumes) to test if it worked, and heck, it did. Anyone want to tell me if it is safe to turn this up, and make sure my impedances are correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tlbonehead Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof I have two Matchless heads and one orange 2x12 cabinet. You get the picture. I hooked it up, 8 ohm output on both amps, one to the right input, the other to the left (the inputes arent labeled on the orange, so I assumed it was a stereo operation, I did it cautiously with the volume down). Surprisingly, I lowered and raised each volume (very low volumes) to test if it worked, and heck, it did. Anyone want to tell me if it is safe to turn this up, and make sure my impedances are correct? I'd be far more worried about making absolutely certain it was a stereo cab before even attempting such a silly stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jaggery Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Interesting. Is that why there are 2 inputs on a cab? Stereo would mean one speaker assigned to each head, right? I have one with 2 inputs too, I will wait for experts to give their views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think you sir have very luckily escaped the simultaneous execution of two amps. I'm pretty sure if you turn it up both amps will blow, as in BOOM. AFAIK no Orange cab is wired for stereo, and if it was it usually has a mono/stereo switch. Therefore, your cab = mono. Therefore 2 amps = boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble I think you sir have very luckily escaped the simultaneous execution of two amps.I'm pretty sure if you turn it up both amps will blow, as in BOOM. AFAIK no Orange cab is wired for stereo, and if it was it usually has a mono/stereo switch. Therefore, your cab = mono. Therefore 2 amps = boom. dangits just strange that a speaker output on this cab works like an amp input at low volumes. strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof dangits just strange that a speaker output on this cab works like an amp input at low volumes. strange. The two jacks on the speaker cab are identical, they are wired in parallel with each other so that when another cab is connected, bam, you have a cab in parallel. Connecting two amps there is like, well, performing double penetration. The two dicks must go through the same hole, but they have to touch each other to do so and that is just plain WRONG. You are just connecting the two amps together, and the amps are juicing each other with no load between them. You hear sound because some current still flows towards the speakers. Sorry about the analogy, couldnt think of a better one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyChains Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 It sounds like you are feeding the signals from each amp into each other, if that makes sense. Everyone is right, boom if the volume is cranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 is there any way I could wire them in stereo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof is there any way I could wire them in stereo? Yeps sure, easy as ABC, just wire one jack to one speaker, and the other jack to the other speaker, without leaving any interconnects between the two jacks or speakers. That will result in a 16ohm per side stereo cab if before it was 8ohm mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TWPietz37 Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble The two jacks on the speaker cab are identical, they are wired in parallel with each other so that when another cab is connected, bam, you have a cab in parallel. Connecting two amps there is like, well, performing double penetration. The two dicks must go through the same hole, but they have to touch each other to do so and that is just plain WRONG. You are just connecting the two amps together, and the amps are juicing each other with no load between them. You hear sound because some current still flows towards the speakers.Sorry about the analogy, couldnt think of a better one. HAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble Yeps sure, easy as ABC, just wire one jack to one speaker, and the other jack to the other speaker, without leaving any interconnects between the two jacks or speakers. That will result in a 16ohm per side stereo cab if before it was 8ohm mono. Im gonna do that right now, although, one thing, it said 16 ohm mono as a cab, so I would assume after rewiring it, each is 8 ohms per side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof Im gonna do that right now, although, one thing, it said 16 ohm mono as a cab, so I would assume after rewiring it, each is 8 ohms per side? Yes sir, that would mean you currently have two 8ohm speakers in series. Just make sure the two channels arent in any way in contact with each other, and do the wiring carefully, amke sure everything is in order. I'm sorry if that sounds patronising but, although this is a very simple job, I dont know how electricity-savvy you are, and wouldnt like you to damage your amps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 This is what you should find:But you do it like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble Yes sir, that would mean you currently have two 8ohm speakers in series. Just make sure the two channels arent in any way in contact with each other, and do the wiring carefully, amke sure everything is in order. I'm sorry if that sounds patronising but, although this is a very simple job, I dont know how electricity-savvy you are, and wouldnt like you to damage your amps well, its not gonna work because the wires are connected & soldered via the inputs... damn it. I can't solder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof well, its not gonna work because the wires are connected soldered via the inputs... damn it. I can't solder. Ah yes they would be, I thought you could solder, sorry! Best take it to someone who can then, or maybe your local shop can do it. Take Care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble Ah yes they would be, I thought you could solder, sorry! Best take it to someone who can then, or maybe your local shop can do it. Take Care. If I was macgyver, how would I do this right here, right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 {censored}, i forgot which wires go where ..well, i hooked them back up in guessed locations due to the chart ^^ up there ^^ and the amp/guitar sounds now, so I assume I got it right? G'damn, I can buy the stuff, I can play the stuff, but I sure as hell can't work on the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 If it's confusing you this much, just take it to someone who has the know how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NoirAbattoir Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 You need a head-switcher. Radial makes one called the Headbone. http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-headbone-vt.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zadiqof Posted January 12, 2006 Author Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by ColorsoundKid You need a head-switcher. Radial makes one called the Headbone. http://www.tonebone.com/tbone-headbone-vt.htm yeah, ive seen those. Im just looking to run stereo all the time, no a/b, just y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members diocide Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 dude, learn to solder. It ain't hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyChains Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by zadiqof If I was macgyver, how would I do this right here, right now? Take a lemon and some baking soda an old lady dropped on her way back home from the store to produce some heat from a chemical reaction to melt the solder. Then pull 2 rabbits out of a nearby bush to bite the wire into and strip them. Then set them on fire with a cigar some homeless person threw down 3 days ago that still happens to be smoldering. Then steal a baseball and bat from a kid walking by and hit the ball to the cigar to ignite the rabbits who in turn jump in the cab and precisely melt the joints back correctly in place. A large gust of wind then comes along and blows the panel back on the cab and all is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by DirtyChains Take a lemon and some baking soda an old lady dropped on her way back home from the store to produce some heat from a chemical reaction to melt the solder. Then pull 2 rabbits out of a nearby bush to bite the wire into and strip them. Then set them on fire with a cigar some homeless person threw down 3 days ago that still happens to be smoldering. Then steal a baseball and bat from a kid walking by and hit the ball to the cigar to ignite the rabbits who in turn jump in the cab and precisely melt the joints back correctly in place. A large gust of wind then comes along and blows the panel back on the cab and all is done. All wrong, McGuyver always uses his Swiss knife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumble Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by diocide dude, learn to solder. It ain't hard. +1000 It will save you alot of money in home-made cables and wiring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtyChains Posted January 12, 2006 Members Share Posted January 12, 2006 Originally posted by Bumble All wrong, McGuyver always uses his Swiss knife Damn, I knew I missed something. I rarely watched the show but I remember him stopping the bad guys from getting away by grabbing a bat and ball and hitting the scoreboard in the right place as it fell on the speeding car. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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