Members math2014 Posted February 17, 2006 Members Share Posted February 17, 2006 Hi all. Lately i had serious issues with my tone, and noise with my Laney LC30II amp. My tone was too bright, harsh and brittle. Furthermore, my notes on the low E string sounded undefined and buzzy and i blamed my technique and/or my guitar's setup for this. With respect to noise, i had serious popping and crackling noises coming of from my amp (even without anything pluged in). On top of that when i was playing (rarely though) the pop and crackle was causing very quick drops in signal. Some other (boutique amp maker) told me that i got a cheapo-chinese mass made amp... Some people told me i got a crappy cheap amp. Some others suggested my pcb/solders are heading south. Some others said that my valves are going south and that they are crappy Chinese valves (TAD valves). Laney themselves told me that my valves are causing the issue, but they recommended to replace them with TAD ones (WTF???). Anyhow i thought they were trying to avoid a repair claim on me. To cut a long story short... i took the plunge and got myself a full set of JJs for both pre and power amp. Result: 1. Noise... GONE ...completely, no pops no crackles no nothing nadda. 2. Tone, Creamy, Thick, Treble is smooth and puncy and not piercing and irritating 3. Bass is super tight, my low E string notes sound tight without any buzzing. 4. Full spectrum sound with growling mids 5 Finally... out of nowhere i got TONS of sustain, and my pedals seem to react much better to my amp, ie the fuzz now nails Page's tone in Black Dog, my OD nails GnR etc... Anyhow. If you got a Laney and you still got stock valves, be aware that your amp is severely constrained by the TAD valves (to my ears). I do apologise for the long post, but i was troubleshooting my amp, and researching into tone for the last 3 weeks for valves so i thought of sharing the knowledge. Yannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members VH100R Posted February 18, 2006 Members Share Posted February 18, 2006 ahahah. Laney Nation just gets stronger and stronger.... we need a laney forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members math2014 Posted February 18, 2006 Author Members Share Posted February 18, 2006 Originally posted by VH100R ahahah. Laney Nation just gets stronger and stronger.... we need a laney forum. Definately man mmm GAS after a GH50L or TT50H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members windmill Posted February 18, 2006 Members Share Posted February 18, 2006 Thanks for the advice. I intend taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fulltruth Posted May 29, 2006 Members Share Posted May 29, 2006 Funny thing... I've been having a lot of crackling & volume issues with my JJ's but not my TAD's. I guess everybody puts out bad pairs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The_Sh0t Posted May 29, 2006 Members Share Posted May 29, 2006 amazing what new tubes do for tone, and laneys kick MAJOR ASS!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jmartin Posted May 29, 2006 Members Share Posted May 29, 2006 Ya good tubes always work wonders. I love Rubys JJs and even some Sovteks! Further,an upgrade to the transformers can sound incredible as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StringBreaker Posted May 29, 2006 Members Share Posted May 29, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members solitaire Posted May 29, 2006 Members Share Posted May 29, 2006 Aren't most valves made in China anyway? I thought JJ-s were chinese. Speaking of locale of production: Laneys are still made in the UK, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Terry.Baker Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Good advice - if I put in a matched set of JJ valves will I have to get the amp rebiased? It says so in the instructions, but I'm kinda hoping not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Curtis.Fagan Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 You will always have to get the amplifuier rebiased, not all tubes are created with the same bias, so be sure ot get it done whenever you get a tube replacement... -Curtis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Valtiel Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hi all.Some other (boutique amp maker) told me that i got a cheapo-chinese mass made amp... Whoever this amp maker was, hes a moron if his diagnosis of popping and static is "cheapo-chinese made amp" before "bad preamp tubes" Some others suggested my pcb/solders are heading south. Not very likely given that everything you described points to tubes. Some others said that my valves are going south These are the people that fall into the "smart" category. and that they are crappy Chinese valves (TAD valves) There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with Chinese valves, 9th GEN Shuguang 12AX7's are some of the best out there. Result:1. Noise... GONE ...completely, no pops no crackles no nothing nadda.2. Tone, Creamy, Thick, Treble is smooth and puncy and not piercing and irritating3. Bass is super tight, my low E string notes sound tight without any buzzing.4. Full spectrum sound with growling mids5 Finally... out of nowhere i got TONS of sustain, and my pedals seem to react much better to my amp, ie the fuzz now nails Page's tone in Black Dog, my OD nails GnR etc... This should be attributed to now having 12AX7's that are in spec and not going microphonic as apposed to the fact that they are not Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unstrung Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 ahahah. Laney Nation just gets stronger and stronger.... we need a laney forum. There is one... It's a deserted waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cavemanic Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 LOL JJ's made my amp sound like {censored} ...go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BlueSteam Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 My Laney did not like JJ's... the same tubes sound great in my Mesa though. It's just a case by case basis... unless, of course, the tube in question is just old and needs replacing. Right now my Laney Lionheart has a Mullard in the power section and a Tung Sol in the V1 spot... the V2 and V3 spots are still occupied by the original TADs which I always thought were nice tubes compared to some other brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Anyhow. If you got a Laney and you still got stock valves, be aware that your amp is severely constrained by the TAD valves (to my ears). Your amp was having issues because the tubes were not working properly. A new, fully functional set of TAD tubes would have given you pretty the same results. Tubes can go bad any time for any reason or no reason at all. What you are comparing here is working tubes/bad tubes, not JJ/TAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 JJ stands for Junk Junk in my opinion. I've used about a dozen or so of their 12AX7's, their EL34B's, KT77's and 6L6GC's and never been impressed with any of it. I've done myself a favor and just settled down with the ruby 12AX7 HG's. And for what it's worth, TAD 6L6GC's sound awesome. never tried their pre's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Curtis.Fagan Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Your amp was having issues because the tubes were not working properly. A new, fully functional set of TAD tubes would have given you pretty the same results.Tubes can go bad any time for any reason or no reason at all. What you are comparing here is working tubes/bad tubes, not JJ/TAD. Oh hey fella! Wher eyou been lately? Lurking in the murky waters of "not posting all that much'ville"? -Curtis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MRAAJR Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 This thread is over four years old.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bass_n_drums Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hi all.Lately i had serious issues with my tone, and noise with my Laney LC30II amp.My tone was too bright, harsh and brittle. Furthermore, my notes on the low E string sounded undefined and buzzy and i blamed my technique and/or my guitar's setup for this.With respect to noise, i had serious popping and crackling noises coming of from my amp (even without anything pluged in). On top of that when i was playing (rarely though) the pop and crackle was causing very quick drops in signal. Some other (boutique amp maker) told me that i got a cheapo-chinese mass made amp...Some people told me i got a crappy cheap amp. Some others suggested my pcb/solders are heading south. Some others said that my valves are going south and that they are crappy Chinese valves (TAD valves). Laney themselves told me that my valves are causing the issue, but they recommended to replace them with TAD ones (WTF???). Anyhow i thought they were trying to avoid a repair claim on me.To cut a long story short... i took the plunge and got myself a full set of JJs for both pre and power amp.Result:1. Noise... GONE ...completely, no pops no crackles no nothing nadda.2. Tone, Creamy, Thick, Treble is smooth and puncy and not piercing and irritating3. Bass is super tight, my low E string notes sound tight without any buzzing.4. Full spectrum sound with growling mids5 Finally... out of nowhere i got TONS of sustain, and my pedals seem to react much better to my amp, ie the fuzz now nails Page's tone in Black Dog, my OD nails GnR etc...Anyhow. If you got a Laney and you still got stock valves, be aware that your amp is severely constrained by the TAD valves (to my ears).I do apologise for the long post, but i was troubleshooting my amp, and researching into tone for the last 3 weeks for valves so i thought of sharing the knowledge.Yannis I've always said that the TAD tubes that comes stock in the current Laney amps really makes the amp sound like crap. It will hinder the sales and unfortunately many people won't know or care about it until the tubes are changed. Good post. I always replace the stock tubes from just about any new or used amp I get with better tubes. This is the best way to hear what the amps is suppose too. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bass_n_drums Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 I've had great success with SED tubes. They have been the best in sound and durability. As for pres.....I have my own NOS stash. As for JJ....ehhh. The good thing is that they have one of the sweetest sound but everything else IMO they lack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarbilly74 Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Oh hey fella! Wher eyou been lately? Lurking in the murky waters of "not posting all that much'ville"? -Curtis Hey Curtis! Yeah I left my band and I have been busy writing new material and auditioning musicians for a new band so I have not ha much time or energy to post much lately. But I am still lurking here everyday Once the new band is up and running I am sure I will be back to my regular posting schedule lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AART Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Doesn't matter, Laney's cool. I got myself a GH50L last week. It's more or less a JCM 800 2204 with a switchable boost. Made in UK, good quality amp. I just don't know if it's a stayer, I'm not really a Marshakll guy and I doubt it's gonna get a lot of playing hours next to the Mark IV and Crate BV150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Curtis.Fagan Posted June 14, 2010 Members Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hey Curtis! Yeah I left my band and I have been busy writing new material and auditioning musicians for a new band so I have not ha much time or energy to post much lately. But I am still lurking here everyday Once the new band is up and running I am sure I will be back to my regular posting schedule lol Good, we need more cynical, real time points of views to intersperse with the "normals" What sort of jams you looking to create?? -Curtis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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