Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage You're making the assumption that the money still exists in the company. You're making the assumption that ZW doesn't have the money or connections at Epiphone to deliver on the guitars. Something might happen, or nothing might happen... but, I'd rather have ZW working for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Riverdragon I think this is going to get worse before it gets any better. How could it get worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Digital Jams Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear You're making the assumption that ZW doesn't have the money or connections at Epiphone to deliver on the guitars. Something might happen, or nothing might happen... but, I'd rather have ZW working for me. You are trusting a guy that destroyed some poor guys bar because he was pissed at his wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Digital Jams You are trusting a guy that destroyed some poor guys bar because he was pissed at his wife ? No. Just delivering information, then answering a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRIFF10672 Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear Zakk's got a lot of money... at the most, he could strike a deal with Epiphone and deliver on the guitars himself. Maybe even sign them too... and whenever he's in town he'll come over for dinner and knock a few back with ya ... you guys are better off waiting for guitars from Johnny Bravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrrampant Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear You're making the assumption that ZW doesn't have the money or connections at Epiphone to deliver on the guitars.Something might happen, or nothing might happen... but, I'd rather have ZW working for me. Probably nothing, but I agree. It's not like he's sitting around with nothing to do- the guy is either touring or puting out records. It's too easy to blame ZW, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear You're making the assumption that ZW doesn't have the money or connections at Epiphone to deliver on the guitars.Something might happen, or nothing might happen... but, I'd rather have ZW working for me. And I made that assumption where? How is it Zakk has so much money? Doesn't BLS play clubs? Any way you look at it, the best Epiphone could offer is cost. that's still a lot of coin, and again, it's not Zakk's responsibility. I hear he's pretty cool, but that's above and beyond coolness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage And I made that assumption where?How is it Zakk has so much money? Doesn't BLS play clubs? Any way you look at it, the best Epiphone could offer is cost. that's still a lot of coin, and again, it's not Zakk's responsibility. I hear he's pretty cool, but that's above and beyond coolness. Apparently, the same place you said I did... you apparently also assume that the best Epiphone could do is cost... that might not be the case. No need for concrete assumptions. Only information is needed... and, all available so far has been provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrrampant Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Can't say it enough. Leave the Z out of it. He has integrity and unfortunately that rep was misused by someone else to dupe guitar players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperStrat Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Does anyone know the total number of sales on this deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exposeenmity Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by SuperStrat Does anyone know the total number of sales on this deal? Well, there was that one thread that tallied up all the HC members purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GRIFF10672 Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage And I made that assumption where?How is it Zakk has so much money? Doesn't BLS play clubs? Any way you look at it, the best Epiphone could offer is cost. that's still a lot of coin, and again, it's not Zakk's responsibility. I hear he's pretty cool, but that's above and beyond coolness. I agree ... if anyone is a working " stiff " in the business it's him .. yeah I'm sure he's comfortable ... but I did some quick math and ... if he bellied up and put in 500 say for each guitar ordered and I think the last time I saw the order count it was 600 to 800 orders so ... that's almost half a mill..... I don't think he's that comfortable .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SuperStrat Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by exposeenmity Well, there was that one thread that tallied up all the HC members purchases. I was curious if there was any announcement on the total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear Apparently, the same place you said I did... you apparently also assume that the best Epiphone could do is cost... that might not be the case. No need for concrete assumptions. Only information is needed... and, all available so far has been provided. Nope, read it again, I made no assumptions. You indicating Zakk has a lot of money, on the other hand, is an assumption, and an unfounded one. Epiphone is a business. Businesses exist to generate income. Selling at cost is not generating income, but it's not losing either. How many of these ZW guitars do you think Epiphone sells? That number would be a direct correlation with how much "pull" Zakk has at Epiphone. This is going nowhere, so have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RancidMilk912 Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear How could it get worse? Well Chad could sodomize you when he doesnt deliver the guitar to your house.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members etienne Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Is Zack affiliated with 357 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PlayboyChris Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 News flash: Zakk Wylde ain't doin' {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage Nope, read it again, I made no assumptions. You indicating Zakk has a lot of money, on the other hand, is an assumption, and an unfounded one.Epiphone is a business. Businesses exist to generate income. Selling at cost is not generating income, but it's not losing either. How many of these ZW guitars do you think Epiphone sells? That number would be a direct correlation with how much "pull" Zakk has at Epiphone. This is going nowhere, so have fun. Saying Zakk has a lot of money does not mean that I said he has enough money to make good on this deal alone. You saying that Epiphone selling the guitars at cost is the best they could do it just as much of an assumption. That is a fact. I understand business, and I also understand pull and endorsements. I never said anything will happen, only that it could. This isn't fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by PlayboyChris News flash: Zakk Wylde ain't doin' {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ranalli Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage I don't understand why/how Zakk could be so wealthy. He's not Ozzy, afterall. Doesn't BLS play clubs, not arena's?That's a LOT of coin to pull out of your pocket, and quite frankly, if he had nothing to do with the deal, it's not his responsibility anyway. According to all the Chad Dyer apologists, Zakk is going to pay for everyone's guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by atbear Saying Zakk has a lot of money does not mean that I said he has enough money to make good on this deal alone. You saying that Epiphone selling the guitars at cost is the best they could do it just as much of an assumption. That is a fact. I understand business, and I also understand pull and endorsements. I never said anything will happen, only that it could. This isn't fun. Perhaps you understand business, but you're having a heck of a time following this conversation. Like I said, have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kenny Powers Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by RancidMilk912 Well Chad could sodomize you when he doesnt deliver the guitar to your house.... yeah and then wipe it on the curtains, making you scream twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Savage Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by ranalli According to all the Chad Dyer apologists, Zakk is going to pay for everyone's guitars. Of course he is, afterall, Zakk has a buttload of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members atbear Posted May 31, 2006 Author Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by Bob Savage Perhaps you understand business, but you're having a heck of a time following this conversation. Like I said, have fun. No, I'm really not. I'm quite on top of it, thank you. Why the animosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members batotman Posted May 31, 2006 Members Share Posted May 31, 2006 Originally posted by RancidMilk912 Well Chad could sodomize you when he doesnt deliver the guitar to your house.... He looks like a catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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