Members Jody Butt Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Have a listen, especially around 1:27 (the slower part). Is this considered scooped? Would it cut in a live situation? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQuqZLHGxDc I do not play in a band like many here do, so I often wonder if my tone (well, one of them . . . which is similar to this band's tone) would be considered too scooped to properly present itself in a band situation. (Well, volume can fix everything, but you know what I mean.) Sometimes I wonder how scooped do you have to be before your tone is considered "scooped" (. . . and which frequencies have to be scooped). Here it is live. Does it cut? How diminished does it have to be before it is said that it just doesn't cut? How much clarity do you need to lose? (Not literal questions . . . just looking for discussion.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWYCIzoRRiM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pizza Combo Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 I had to close that before 1:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jody Butt Posted November 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Originally posted by Pizza Combo I had to close that before 1:27 lol. Sorry, man. Cutting, or not? What's your verdict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Japetus Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 That tone is EXTREMELY scooped...I can see that sounding like total {censored} in a live context, but who knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deldgeetar Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Sounds good on record, but live their tone is muddy and fizzy up top. A sure sign it's scooped as {censored}. You would definitely want some more mids then they play with.The second video sounds scooped but is a lot clearer. Sounds like the bare minimum of mids in that one. I do like the tone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jody Butt Posted November 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Originally posted by deldgeetar Sounds good on record, but live their tone is muddy and fizzy up top. A sure sign it's scooped as {censored}. You would definitely want some more mids then they play with. The second video sounds scooped but is a lot clearer. Sounds like the bare minimum of mids in that one. I do like the tone there. I think the first one was an amateur recording from someone in the audience. The second live video sounds like they actually had the lines going to a recorder with mixing later. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deldgeetar Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Yeah the second one could be a mixed recording from the board, which is why the first prevails. That is what you or I would hear standing in the crowd, rather than what was recorded off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jody Butt Posted November 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Originally posted by deldgeetar Yeah the second one could be a mixed recording from the board, which is why the first prevails. That is what you or I would hear standing in the crowd, rather than what was recorded off the board. Yeah. So, these guys have a record deal and videos and stuff. Why can't they see that their tone is a bit too scooped? Was it the amateur video quality (as is the issue with a lot of concert stuff on youtube), or did they just not have time for a proper sound check, or what? I don't get it. If they like the scooped sound, why don't they just crank their amps so that what mids they do have can be heard? Would the treble and bass then be too overwhelming? Here's a related question/thought: Can anyone really tell what gear they are using even in the second live video? I mean, I sure can't. Tube? Solid state? Metal Zone? POD? The clarity just doesn't seem to be there in a live situation. Agree/disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members exafro Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Originally posted by Jody Butt Yeah.So, these guys have a record deal and videos and stuff. Why can't they see that their tone is a bit too scooped? Was it the amateur video quality (as is the issue with a lot of concert stuff on youtube), or did they just not have time for a proper sound check, or what? I don't get it.Here's a related question/thought:Can anyone really tell what gear they are using even in the second live video? I mean, I sure can't. Tube? Solid state? Metal Zone? POD? The clarity just doesn't seem to be there in a live situation. Agree/disagree? In the first live video you can see 2 Rectos to the left of the drums. The first links tone is scooped as hell. When you are home, EQ however you want but when you start playing in a band throw your low volume settings out the window because they will sound like garbage. You'll likely need to turn up the mids, and lessen the treble and bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeathMonkey Posted November 14, 2006 Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 The last clip sounds like it has far more mids than the other two, whether that is added at the board or at the amp is debatable.In this format, however, he really isn't competing for sonic space with anything (the drums sound like casio keyboards thanks to DM's porn-like fascination with triggers and the bass sounds like a giant clicky rubber band).This is pretty much what death metal and grindcore sounds like. You either scoop the guitars and turn em up, or you add decent mids and turn em down. Either way, what drives me far nuttier is that these guitars have so much low end and take up so much more sonic space than they should that everything else has to be EQed around em. The drums and bass end up sounding like {censored}. Listen to stuff like Strapping Young Lad, Soilwork, or Mercenary, and you can hear a far better placement of guitars in the sonic spectrum, IMHO. Recording with decent midrange content also allows you to cut frequencies later to get out of the way of keys, vocals, and samples with far better accuracy. In my own case, if anyone cares, if you go to my MySpace and listen to "The War For Unity", you hear what sounds like a fairly traditional scooped, bass heavy sound. Yet it is done with a XXX and an Uber, with plenty of mids, and very little bass. The bass is actually allowed to carry the low end - what a concept! There is a slight dip in the low mids in the mastering EQ to clean up the mud, and viola! Sonic slight of hand. I think a lot of people hear that kind of guitar tone, and try to get it without realizing how it is gotten. Mesa Mark series and VHT w/EQ owners know to push the mids early, then use the much finer control of the post-EQ to shape the mids - the same goes for any other situation. Running an EQ in the loop will allow you the clarity of tailoring the mid response for that kind of tone while also allowing enough mids to remain to allow some depth and cut to the sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jody Butt Posted November 14, 2006 Author Members Share Posted November 14, 2006 Originally posted by DeathMonkey DM's porn-like fascination with triggers and the bass sounds like a giant clicky rubber band). I almost spit my milk on my monitor. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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