Members JBecker Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 It's amazing how obvious todays music compression is when listening to this album in particular. The rhythm guitar sits back so far compared to Eddie whenever he comes in with a lead part-- you just don't hear it like this on CD. New record player, new Grado Blue cartridge, mmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members buntaluffigus Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 It's amazing how obvious todays music compression is when listening to this album in particular. The rhythm guitar sits back so far compared to Eddie whenever he comes in with a lead part-- you just don't hear it like this on CD.New record player, new Grado Blue cartridge, mmm. Vinyl circle things only make good one time use Frisbees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members khastra_ksc Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 What is this "vinyl" you speak of? And how is it possible to record anything w/o a computer and ProTools?! This just does not compute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 What turntable are you using? VH1 has fantastic recording quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 What turntable are you using?VH1 has fantastic recording quality. Technics SLD2, and this is one of the best albums in terms of quality I've ever listened to. Fantastically well recorded/mixed/mastered, and it really shines on vinyl (picked up the record for 2 bucks in great shape). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stanner Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 umm...what track(on the 1st album) has rhythm guitar w/ lead guitar over it?as i remember ted templeman said of that record "very little overdub"-mostly live w/ bass in the left channel and eddie in the right channel.going on memory here so...might be wrong about that.s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 25, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 Not over it, wrong term. It's just that when a lead line comes in it's so pronounced over the music and up front versus Eddie playing rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sudds Posted August 25, 2007 Members Share Posted August 25, 2007 umm...what track(on the 1st album) has rhythm guitar w/ lead guitar over it?as i remember ted templeman said of that record "very little overdub"-mostly live w/ bass in the left channel and eddie in the right channel.going on memory here so...might be wrong about that.s Jamie's Cryin'Ice Cream Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Purplexi Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Yep,the vinyl "record" has less bass distortion,crystal upper mids and the highs? forget it,no comparison,especially on Eddie's rhythm tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members filthy6 Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Wow, somebody who cares! God I am sick of the compression on every cd i buy nowadays Grado Blues are class btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KarateSchnitzel Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 i get that.... but how much of that is due to the remastering..?However i do love my vinyls...the girlfriend doesn't get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KarateSchnitzel Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm still sure I'm too young for all this i;'m only 25 ! same age as CDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I'm 20. It's a bit of everything-- if the music was recorded analog and then placed on vinyl, you never have the issue of Digital to Analog conversion. The nature of a vinyl record means that you cannot compress it beyond a certain point, so the difference between the volume peaks is far greater giving more dynamic range. Jimi Hendrix albums do this a lot-- you actually hear the guitar get louder and begin to distort the record with the wah on some solos and just htat bit of record fuzz/clipping is integral to the sound and what it's supposed to be, besides the fact that everythign sounds more full and is balanced better do to the greater sonic room in between everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members khastra_ksc Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I love listening to T00L on vinyl. One of the few rock bands that still insists on releasing them. I wanna hear 10,000 Days on vinyl soooo bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Explosions in the Sky + vinyl = awesomeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members David Simpson Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Got that right Bro...there is NO comparison to old vinyl in good shape and a good table...I'm in the process of pulling my old plastic out of storage and getting set up. I'd love to get that new Mac tube amp and pre...Yummy warm sounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members David Simpson Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 Got that right Bro...there is NO comparison to old vinyl in good shape and a good table...I'm in the process of pulling my old plastic out of storage and getting set up. I'd love to get that new Mac tube amp and pre...Yummy warm sounds... Or better yet...a vintage Macintosh amp system.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members recovery Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I am proud to annouce that I purchased this LP within the first 6 months of it's release (1978 I think). It blew me aqway. At the time I was listening to Kiss, Zepplin, Floyd, and various disco and even Parliment Funkedelic. Van Halen was just so fresh and so different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Detonator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I prefer the greater frequency response of new music formats. Using lots of compression is more of a trend than a limitation of modern recording equipment, and what you call warmth, I call lo-fi mix with slight mid range clipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KoaFreak Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I love to hear good vinyl. I'm very glad to have grown up in the '80s just in time to own Master of Puppets on vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I prefer the greater frequency response of new music formats. Using lots of compression is more of a trend than a limitation of modern recording equipment, and what you call warmth, I call lo-fi mix with slight mid range clipping. There is a physical limitation on the amount of compression available on vinyl, and the more compressed the music the less music can fit on the disc, so no, it's a physical thing as well. The trend has been there for a long time, even on vinyl, but there were built in limits. Anything recorded digitally or digital at any point, I mostly prefer on CD. Anything recorded to tape, should stay analog. No matter what you do, something is lost in the digital to analog conversion and back, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Detonator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 There is a physical limitation on the amount of compression available on vinyl, and the more compressed the music the less music can fit on the disc, so no, it's a physical thing as well. The trend has been there for a long time, even on vinyl, but there were built in limits.Anything recorded digitally or digital at any point, I mostly prefer on CD. Anything recorded to tape, should stay analog. No matter what you do, something is lost in the digital to analog conversion and back, IMO. I see what your saying, but I think most of the problems with newer digital remasterings stem from an over use of modern mastering techniques combined with the fact that those vintage analog tapes have decayed with time and caused a loss of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JBecker Posted August 26, 2007 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 I see what your saying, but I think most of the problems with newer digital remasterings stem from an over use of modern mastering techniques combined with the fact that those vintage analog tapes have decayed with time and caused a loss of information. Oh that's definitely true, though I think way more on the former than the latter. But the truth is, older stuff sounds better without the use of analog-digital conversion and without the modernization in the remastering. I'd rather pick up The Who Live at Leads for 4 dollars on vinyl... or VH1 for 2 dollars...both of those were in perfect condition too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nik Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 ON vh-1 the Rhythm guitar track during solos was overdubbed. DRums are mixed much louder these days, and that exacerbates the problem of over compression in mastering. Vinyl can sound VERY good, but not as uncoloured and true to the master as CD can. A to D conversion is not the problem. Over compression and over use of post processing is the problem with most modern CD releases, including re-releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Teleplayer Posted August 26, 2007 Members Share Posted August 26, 2007 The worst is the utter compression and loss of fidelity on the crap they call "downloads" - things like iTunes. Utter joke. A whole generation thinks high fidelity means listening to compressed digital files through 1/4" speakers in the ears..... What a total shame; and what utter idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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