Members keith101 Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I'm looking for real nice clean tones, not too bright, but nice and ballsy. Also, gain channel has got to be quality, thinking more of huge classic to modern rock tones. Gonna be using a ts9 to push the amp harder for solos. which one of the two accepts pedals better? as i'll be using it with multiple pedals as well. I know the pricing of these two amps are far from each other. but here in bangkok, the supersonic is just a little more expensive than the peavey. so what do y'all think? which would you rather get if you could afford both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaxn slim Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I used to play a Peavey Classic 212 and then had a Peavey Classic 112 later. Now I own a Super Sonic, and there really is no contest. The Super Sonic is so much nicer IMO. I found the Peaveys to be more harsh and brittle sounding. They were great for the money - and reliable. But I would have to lean heavily towards the Super Sonic if you don't mind spending the extra $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I think they're just different. The Super Sonic is not a bad amp, but I personally do not prefer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PurpleStain Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 if you replaced the speakers on the Peavey classic, i think it's every bit as good as the supersonic, though with different features, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rockapede Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I'm looking for real nice clean tones, not too bright, but nice and ballsy. Also, gain channel has got to be quality, thinking more of huge classic to modern rock tones. Gonna be using a ts9 to push the amp harder for solos. which one of the two accepts pedals better? as i'll be using it with multiple pedals as well. I know the pricing of these two amps are far from each other. but here in bangkok, the supersonic is just a little more expensive than the peavey. so what do y'all think? which would you rather get if you could afford both? As much of a fan of the C50 as I am, you would probably enjoy the SS more. The cleans are great and the gain will be a little heavier and more modern sounding than the Classic's lead channel (though it's still far from br00tlz modern high gain). Sure, great hard rock tones can be had with the classic, but you've gotta work a lot harder to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 What "work" do you have to do with a Classic for hard rock? They probably have about as much gain as a JCM800. Or are you really just referring to how the Supersonic can be more compressed when you turn the gain up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rockapede Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 What "work" do you have to do with a Classic for hard rock? They probably have about as much gain as a JCM800. Or are you really just referring to how the Supersonic can be more compressed when you turn the gain up? It's not a gain thing, more of a voicing issue. To get anything approximating a modern (which is the key) rock tone you really need to be pretty careful with pickup, EQ, and boost selections. Not to mention it needs a speaker upgrade to realize it's potential. I love mine, but modern it isn't (without some coaxing) and was never meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HKSblade1 Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 S-Sonic wil be better with pedals too. You may not need them anyway. The S-Sonic has a good amt of gain on tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GCDEF Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Both good, but I'd take the SuperSonic out of those two. You can't go too far wrong either way though. The Peaveys are kind of generic sounding to me. They're decent, but don't really have the "wow" factor a really good amp does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 It's not a gain thing, more of a voicing issue. To get anything approximating a modern (which is the key) rock tone you really need to be pretty careful with pickup, EQ, and boost selections. Not to mention it needs a speaker upgrade to realize it's potential. I love mine, but modern it isn't (without some coaxing) and was never meant to be. Gotcha. That's what I was getting at with the compression thing. About the only way to make a Classic compressed compared to any sort of modern amp is to literally turn the distortion channel up all the way with the gain maxed, and a high output humbucker. I recall the Supersonic's gain becoming more compressed when it was set higher, though I'm not so sure it really has more gain. Personally, the thing I like about Classics is the way they can achieve a higher gain, but not so compressed, sort of distortion. I think it's unique for an affordable amp in that regard. Not a lot of amps really do that at all, and many are very pricey. I don't know about the 50s, as I don't believe turning up the clean channel volume itself will produce any distortion with the master volume low, but with the 30s, turning up the clean channel is especially good about that. It's not modern, but it's not so "vintage," either. If that's not exactly what you want, look elsewhere. However, I'd consider the issue of speaker replacement a moot point, as the Supersonics cost more than picking up some Warehouse speakers along with a Classic would at the full new price, and GC has been selling the 50s for $400-500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaxn slim Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 But the original poster said that in Bangkok, the prices are pretty close. So the speaker replacement might make a difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Oops, yeah, he might not even be able to get Warehouse speakers, and definitely not a cheapo blowout deal from GC. I forgot which thread I was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keith101 Posted December 6, 2007 Author Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Oops, yeah, he might not even be able to get Warehouse speakers, and definitely not a cheapo blowout deal from GC. I forgot which thread I was in. Yeap, i was thinking of replacing the speakers with greenbacks if i were to get the c50. but that would be more pricey than getting the ss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaxn slim Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Yeap, i was thinking of replacing the speakers with greenbacks if i were to get the c50. but that would be more pricey than getting the ss. So you would actually be spending less to get the SS? No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 SuperSonic VS. Classic50 ??? Fender SuperSonic EVEYTIME !!! ...you have three very diff. channels compared to the Classic's ermm, two ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 Mmmm, would LOVE to hear the SuperSonic with a 4x12 loaded w. GREENBACK's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rockapede Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 SuperSonic VS. Classic50 ???Fender SuperSonic EVEYTIME !!!...you have three very diff. channels compared to the Classic's ermm, two ! There are lots of amps with three different channels that sound like ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 What "work" do you have to do with a Classic for hard rock? They probably have about as much gain as a JCM800. Or are you really just referring to how the Supersonic can be more compressed when you turn the gain up? HUH ??? . . . are you saying that a C50 has as much GAIN as a Marshall JCM800 - is that correct ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jaxn slim Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 There are lots of amps with three different channels that sound like ass. But not this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rockapede Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 But not this one. True, but that logic was flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 There are lots of amps with three different channels that sound like ass. LOL . . . , yes, that IS true, but we all know by now, that the Bassman & Burn channel already have some serious good tone in them, and the "other" clean channel can be used to run your FX-pedals ! IMHO...(offcousre)...there is a MUCH Bigger Diff. in tone between the Bassman & Burn channel, than between the C50's clean & Overdrive channel ! That is ONE of the reasons i tend to look into the SS for myself, as i do not like the two channels just to be subtle variations of the two !!! . . . enter Fender SuperSonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Herald of Light Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I don't recall the Super Sonics being true three channel amps. Isn't it just footswitchable between a clean and distortion? What does the three channel part even come from? HUH ??? . . . are you saying that a C50 has as much GAIN as a Marshall JCM800 - is that correct ? If I am remembering correctly, it's about the same as a 2203. I guess maybe 2205s have more, but I've never played one. It's not like they have as much as a 5150. Like a Classic, the preamp gain is not really getting into the high gain realm until you've pretty much maxed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members PurpleStain Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 HUH ??? . . . are you saying that a C50 has as much GAIN as a Marshall JCM800 - is that correct ? I would agree with that statement. I think they do have as much gain as a JCM800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 If I am remembering correctly, it's about the same as a 2203. I guess maybe 2205s have more, but I've never played one. It's not like they have as much as a 5150. Like a Classic, the preamp gain is not really getting into the high gain realm until you've pretty much maxed it out. Mmmm, my local mom-and-pop store has a 2x12 C50 in, i'd better go and look into to tomorrow ! I always thought that the C50 is just a louder C30, and i am unimpressed with the C30's generic sounding gain, even after he retro fitted a V30 in it !!! NOW, i LOVE the GAIN of the good 'ol Marshall JCM800's :evil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SirJackdeFuzz Posted December 6, 2007 Members Share Posted December 6, 2007 I would agree with that statement. I think they do have as much gain as a JCM800. GREAT . . . off to the store i go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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