Members imgooley Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 On a separate note, can someone give me a logical reason why Polygamy should be illegal, and gay marriage should not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadCompany89 Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Because the bible says so and it's always right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chrisjd Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 so wait.... aside from the word for it... how is that different? you can just change what it's called and that makes it fine? i think i'll start caling my date rapes "unsolicited sexual encounters" and see how far i get.Merriam websters says marriage is "a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law" or (if you prefer it a little more abstract) "an intimate or close union." Great. That's wonderful. I agree. But where does all this other crap come into play? Religion, tradition, ceremony... It's all superstition. Marriage is a legal contract. Marriage is a box you check on your tax form. Go read up on the covenent and process of getting married, what it means religiously and spiritually, and what it means in the church. After you do this you may come back in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommythelurker Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Can you name something that doesn't hurt anyone that is illegal?pot? :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 so wait.... aside from the word for it... how is that different? you can just change what it's called and that makes it fine? i think i'll start caling my date rapes "unsolicited sexual encounters" and see how far i get.Merriam websters says marriage is "a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law" or (if you prefer it a little more abstract) "an intimate or close union." Great. That's wonderful. I agree. But where does all this other crap come into play? Religion, tradition, ceremony... It's all superstition. Marriage is a legal contract. Marriage is a box you check on your tax form. Then what is wrong with calling it a civil union if it entails the same protections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stephan1980 Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Homosexuality is the opposite of what it means to be a man and is not to be encouraged by law or custom. It should be discouraged and taught against. That is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Because the bible says so and it's always right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 They can express their love all they want, and they do, publicly all the time. Marriage was designed and written to fit a man and a woman, and should be respected that way.Again, I am all for civil unions, but opening marriage to new interpretations is ridiculous. So how does that affect your interpretation of the marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted August 29, 2008 Author Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Give me a logical reason for legalizing it.Because people deserve to have freedom, equal rights, and a life not dictated totally by government I'm not down with the government deciding what people (not animals) you can and can not marry. That's barbaric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadCompany89 Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Can you name something that doesn't hurt anyone that is illegal? Piracy? Not the internet kind, the sailing kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oblivion DC Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 pot? :poke: Debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Homosexuality is the opposite of what it means to be a man and is not to be encouraged by law or custom. It should be discouraged and taught against.That is my opinion. I'll agree to an extent. However, I don't believe homosexuality and masculinity are mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sex Panther Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Can you name something that doesn't hurt anyone that is illegal? Walking outside naked.Going AWOL.Having sex with a 17 year old when you're 19.Having sex with a horny dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DAFSTRAT Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 So how do you justify marriages performed outside of religious institutions, IE., Justice of the Peace, ships captain... You're joking too right :poke: Read my post. Marriage is DERIVED from religion. One of the basis being one has a penis and one has a vagina. Quite simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members imgooley Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Walking outside naked. +1:cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blargh Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Homosexuality is the opposite of what it means to be a man and is not to be encouraged by law or custom. It should be discouraged and taught against.That is my opinion. I don't need the government to tell me what it means to be a man (or force their idea on anyone)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members StoneM Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Back in the good old days if a person expressed homosexual behavior it was considered a sign of mental illness. What ever happened to the good old days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chad_sux Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Go read up on the covenent and process of getting married, what it means religiously and spiritually, and what it means in the church.After you do this you may come back in the thread. Again, when you are married by the court/jop, you are considered married, not civilly unionized...It's just a word and in the eyes of the government, it's exactly the same. That's why you get a marriage license afterward :poke: I fail to see what religion has to do with marriage. If that is the only leg you have to stand on then your argument holds no water. The real debate here is not about religion, but about giving Gay couples the same rights as straight couples. And yes, they should have the same rights, contractually, that straight couples have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommythelurker Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Walking outside naked. . I dunno, there are some people that it would physically pain me to see naked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Oblivion DC Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 You're joking too right :poke: Read my post. Marriage is DERIVED from religion. One of the basis being one has a penis and one has a vagina. Quite simple really. Marriage dates back several thousand years, emerging as a civil arrangement at the same time as the emergence of private property. Far from fulfilling any religious purpose to unite one man and one woman, anthropologists theorize that most primitive marriages were polygamous. Marriages were entered into in order to expand the land or material goods base of a clan, either through the receipt of a dowry or the merger of two clans' assets. Religious guidelines around marriage are not thought to have developed until the practice was several hundred years old, and were first used as a means of preventing different religious groups from losing wealthy followers by restricting them from marrying into other religions.In Western Europe, it was not until the Middle Ages that marriage in churches began to occur. However, church marriages were not the norm until the 17th century, and then only for the nobility. Marriage was also used as a tool to unite different royal families' bloodlines, creating alliances that were instrumental in enabling the European monarchies to colonize the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stephan1980 Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 I'll agree to an extent. However, I don't believe homosexuality and masculinity are mutually exclusive. maybe I should have said "what it means to be a GOOD man". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tommythelurker Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 The real debate here is not about religion, but about giving Gay couples the same rights as straight couples. And yes, they should have the same rights, contractually, that straight couples have. But gay people have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex that straight people have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sixtonoize Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Give me a logical reason for legalizing it. Health insurance benefits - as soon as my wife and I got married, I was eligible to be on her plan, which is good, because I'm self-employed. Gay people can't share health insurance, because they're legally not bonded. Property possession in the event of death - if a gay person dies, their partner has no rights to anything that they haven't bought with their own money goes to the family of the dead partner. In the event of a worker/homemaker relationship, the partner who takes care of the house loses everything. Discrimination - how about we keep gays feeling like they're sexual deviants and second-class citizens by refusing to legitimize their relationships in the same way that heterosexual couples do? I can't IMAGINE that feeling like you're a pervert because of who you're sexually attracted to has ANYTHING to do with drug abuse and promiscuity in the gay community. Quality of family life - yeah, kids will be LESS {censored}ed up by living in a stable, two parent gay household than an alcoholic, violent heterosexual household. The fact is, most families are {censored}ed up, and the only reason that having two parents of the same sex screws kids up is because society TELLS THEM that it's wrong. I have several friends with two moms, and they're more "normal" than most of my other friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BadCompany89 Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Back in the good old days if a person expressed homosexual behavior it was considered a sign of mental illness. What ever happened to the good old days?Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Phishmonkey Posted August 29, 2008 Members Share Posted August 29, 2008 Back in the good old days if a person expressed homosexual behavior it was considered a sign of mental illness. What ever happened to the good old days?Yeah, how come I'm not allowed to have a slave either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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