Members jnurp Posted October 14, 2009 Author Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Playing with feeling really isn't that hard to do. That's my cover for my lack of shred skills. Feeling is mostly dynamic and guitar tone.Great jazz, technical death metal, those, I think are the toughest. To create good jazz or death metal, you really need to have a very creative mind and be smart musically. When I listen to some really awesome technical stuff I try to listen to the lines and rhythms they create. Same with Jazz. They usually hit patterns and arpeggios that I would never think of. Knowing when to change a mode, and when using that particular mode over a specific progression is going to sound appropriate, that's pretty tough, IMO. playing with feeling isnt that hard to do, playing with bb kings or albert collins feeling is impossible. Its not as easy as it looks, not by a longshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greg apocalypse Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 playing with feeling isnt that hard to do, playing with bb kings or albert collins feeling is impossible. Its not as easy as it looks, not by a longshot. Okay, I get what you mean. But, that's why they're the greats. I still stick to my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members axuality Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Who are the most talented guitarists; Jazz players, metal, rock, neoclassical, classical, country???I am always floored by jazz players, but for some reason in my head it takes more talent to play blues with feeling than it is to play insane jazz runs. I dotn know why, it doesnt really make much sense at face value that a guy who is bending a few notes would be a more skilled player but i really think that a great blues player is a lot harder to find than a great jazz player. Playing crazy jazz runs is a learned skill, i dont think the blues is a learned skill, its either in you or it isnt, which makes it so rare. You're so right, but they're actually different skills, I think. I agree with you, I'd MUCH rather listen to a guy with feeling than a guy with just chops, and those two skills are mutually exclusive in what seems most cases. For PLAYING, I think jazz or classical is number one hardest. I used to play note-for-note Chet Atkins which REALLY rough too. For feel, maybe blues. But the best feel from any guitarists I've ever heard are Jimi Hendrix, Page and Wes Montgomery (jazz), and maybe Pat Metheny jazz. Satriani might be damn hard, I guess, not sure. That's the one style I've played least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members axuality Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Playing with feeling really isn't that hard to do. That's my cover for my lack of shred skills. Feeling is mostly dynamic and guitar tone.Great jazz, technical death metal, those, I think are the toughest. To create good jazz or death metal, you really need to have a very creative mind and be smart musically. When I listen to some really awesome technical stuff I try to listen to the lines and rhythms they create. Same with Jazz. They usually hit patterns and arpeggios that I would never think of. Knowing when to change a mode, and when using that particular mode over a specific progression is going to sound appropriate, that's pretty tough, IMO. Death metal, really? It seems to me that any kid with a high gain amp could write it. The faster stuff might be hard to play, but I can't imagine it takes the countless hours of jazz to learn ANYTHING in metal. I fully agree with you about jazz, but if what you say is accurate about metal, it very much surprises me. Can you name a song from a band that I could go hear that exemplifies what you're saying, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members again with this Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 this kind of Jazz... http://www.georgecole.net/live/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComOp Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Hard? By hard do you mean technically difficult to play? Classical. Sight reading, practical application of music theory etc. etc. With all of the other musical styles there is a lot more room to improvise and noodle. Mistakes and errors can be easily masked and worked around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flump Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 In my opinion it doesn't matter what style it is. The most talented players to me are ones that could come in on any song and improv and it just sounds right. This is why I think Tim Reynolds is the best guitarist out there right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VonBonfire Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I am always floored by jazz players, but for some reason in my head it takes more talent to play blues with feeling than it is to play insane jazz runs. I dotn know why, it doesnt really make much sense at face value that a guy who is bending a few notes would be a more skilled player but i really think that a great blues player is a lot harder to find than a great jazz player. I think a lot of guys who think they have "mastered" blues wind up getting bored and moving on to jazz and fusion music. The problem with that mindset is that what "mastering the blues" really means is having your own sound using those simple changes. I've heard many excellent blues players though. Many who were technically proficient, and many with their own blues/sound. I used to be more impressed by the jazz guys, and I still love jazz, but blues is deceptively simple. Lots of guys can "play blues" but very few "have the blues" is what I'm saying. All that being said I enjoy great jazzers, bluegrass pickers, chicken picken, and most all the rest. Never did get into shred, but some of the dudes play Marshalls, and man, they can wail something fierce too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mooktank Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I think a lot of guys who think they have "mastered" blues wind up getting bored and moving on to jazz and fusion music. The problem with that mindset is that what "mastering the blues" really means is having your own sound using those simple changes.I've heard many excellent blues players though. Many who were technically proficient, and many with their own blues/sound. I used to be more impressed by the jazz guys, and I still love jazz, but blues is deceptively simple.Lots of guys can "play blues" but very few "have the blues" is what I'm saying. All that being said I enjoy great jazzers, bluegrass pickers, chicken picken, and most all the rest. Never did get into shred, but some of the dudes play Marshalls, and man, they can wail something fierce too. What about guys who don't play marshalls? That must be tough since the whole time they must be puking because of the bad tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members liamlw Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 For me finger classical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members satannica Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I like being impressed by guitar players. For me I'm not into jazz at all so that for me would be the toughest to deal with. I'm sure a country guy who hates metal would never be able to nail neoclassical shred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zack Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I love when little asian kids can play whole rocks songs transposed as classical acoustic pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NeverTheMachine Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 The songwriting style. I mean .. you know what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zehn Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Death metal, really? It seems to me that any kid with a high gain amp could write it. The faster stuff might be hard to play, but I can't imagine it takes the countless hours of jazz to learn ANYTHING in metal. I fully agree with you about jazz, but if what you say is accurate about metal, it very much surprises me. Can you name a song from a band that I could go hear that exemplifies what you're saying, please? Holy {censored} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members peehoo Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'd say classical. I'm no good guitar player by ANY means but I think that just being able to work in a philharmonic orchestra requires some serious music knowledge and work. And I'm not talking about just being backed up but, you know, actually functioning in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shenaniganizer Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Flamenco and classical. I have a ton of respect for those players. And a ton of envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Who are the most talented guitarists; Jazz players, metal, rock, neoclassical, classical, country???I am always floored by jazz players, but for some reason in my head it takes more talent to play blues with feeling than it is to play insane jazz runs. I dotn know why, it doesnt really make much sense at face value that a guy who is bending a few notes would be a more skilled player but i really think that a great blues player is a lot harder to find than a great jazz player. Playing crazy jazz runs is a learned skill, i dont think the blues is a learned skill, its either in you or it isnt, which makes it so rare. Jazz isn't all straight bebop runs, ya know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members again with this Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I like being impressed by guitar players. For me I'm not into jazz at all so that for me would be the toughest to deal with. I'm sure a country guy who hates metal would never be able to nail neoclassical shred. I gotta say, dude... most of those session country guys can play circles around most people. I would not be surprised if most of those guys could nail some neoclassical shred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ComOp Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 As far as anyone making the argument that blues is the hardest form of music. LOL, just LOL. Put down the Ralph Macchio movies, step away from your bong and go wash your VW bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chevybusa Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'd say classical both physically and compositonally, but not counting that I'd have to say playing John McLaughlin's work on the first 3 Mahavishnu Orchestra albums (and The Lost Trident Sessions) as far as physically and composing jazz standards would probably be the hardest as far as originals go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members imgooley Posted October 14, 2009 Members Share Posted October 14, 2009 Who are the most talented guitarists; Jazz players, metal, rock, neoclassical, classical, country???I am always floored by jazz players, but for some reason in my head it takes more talent to play blues with feeling than it is to play insane jazz runs. I dotn know why, it doesnt really make much sense at face value that a guy who is bending a few notes would be a more skilled player but i really think that a great blues player is a lot harder to find than a great jazz player. Playing crazy jazz runs is a learned skill, i dont think the blues is a learned skill, its either in you or it isnt, which makes it so rare.The thing about being a great jazz player is that to be one, you must also be a great blues player. Jazz and blues are inseparable, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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