Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Hey Guys what are some good metal scales for megadeth-iron maiden- metallica-80 metal type stuff for soloing, because im using a blues pentatonic and that doesent work obviously, ive never been taught any theory so im not sure what to learn.. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Travisaurus Rex Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Learn the major scale and the patterns for it (7 modes) You will be able to solo in any key at any time. Changed my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unstrung Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Learn the major scale and the patterns for it (7 modes) You will be able to solo in any key at any time. Changed my life. This. Also might as well dabble in some minor harmonic and if you're really feeling adventurous... diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dainbramage0 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 CHROMATIC SCALE #1 RITE??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unstrung Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 CHROMATIC SCALE #1 RITE??? O MAN HAO CUD I HVE FORGOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 joke of for realz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members greg apocalypse Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Learn the major scale and the patterns for it (7 modes) You will be able to solo in any key at any time. Changed my life. this - but, learn WHEN to use each of those 7 modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Holy-diver Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 The major scale, namely the natural minor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr R Gecko Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 You can cover a lot of ground with the blues scale - effectively a pentatonic with the b5 - as long as you know all 5 positions and there's not much you couldn't cover Metallica-wise with that knowledge. Beyond that, definitely learn your major scale modes - the 6th mode, Aeolian is natural minor - and for the more 'eastern' sounding stuff, look into harmonic minor and it's modes. Jazz melodic minor if you wanna go further that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Travisaurus Rex Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 this - but, learn WHEN to use each of those 7 modes. That is when it gets tricky. It is much harder to understand soloing over the changes and going from mode to mode vs knowing the patterns and staying in 1 key but moving around on the fretboard. Frank Gamballe explains it pretty good. Get his vids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members beisenla Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Also, Keep in mind the minor pentatonic is simply one of the minor flavored modes (Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian) without the 2nd and 6th. The major pentatonic is simply one of the major flavored modes (Ionian, Lydian, Mixolydian) without the 4th and 7th. One of the cool exercises I went through was learning how to convert the minor pentatonic to each of the minor sounding modes. For example: Minor Pentatonic to Dorian -- Add the 2 and the 6 to the minor pentatonic Minor Pentatonic to Phrygian -- Add the b2 and the b6 to the minor pentatonic Minor Pentatonic to Aeolian -- Add the 2 and the b6 to the minor pentatonic You can do the same thing with the major pentatonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steveanders86 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 penetonic gets you pretty far if you know how to use it. All scales will... its just a matter of {censored}in with them til you find out what works for you. i say {censored} with E minor/G major and an E penetonic scale and you can get a good ammount of metallica's solos. If you have no theory background, its hard to go into detail about what scales to use and why and where and all that. Find a couple scales that work (G Major/C Major which is the same as E minor/A minor) and use your ear to mess around with it. if you learn the positioning of those scales all around the neck without looking... you can move those positions up or down the neck and play the same thing in a different key.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bumhucker Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 I'd start with just the minor pentatonic, and the slight variations [added major 2nd, flat 5th, 6th, and other passing notes, etc.] You'd be suprised what you can all do with that. There's certain patterns and riffs that sound "more metal" whereas some licks just sound bluesy. So just experiment and see what sounds best. Tony Iommi is a great example of someone who can take a blues scale and apply it to metal. Natural minor scale - this is a must for metal... Don't forget to learn all the different positions... Playing in one "box" is very limiting. Harmonic minor and Phrygian Dominant - Another very poplular metal scale and mode. A great example of the Phrygian dominant mode is the solo for "Wherever I may Roam" by tallica. It has that very exotic, middle eastern vibe to it. Every scale you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symphonyofdream Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Hey Guys what are some good metal scales for megadeth-iron maiden- metallica-80 metal type stuff for soloing, because im using a blues pentatonic and that doesent work obviously, ive never been taught any theory so im not sure what to learn.. Thanks Pretty much everything Kirk Did was Pentatonic, you just need to learn to use them. All the major and minor scales and there modes have there place. my favorite Scale is the Harmonic Minor scale and it is very good for metal. Very dark and evil sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steveanders86 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Pretty much everything Kirk Did was Pentatonic, you just need to learn to use them. All the major and minor scales and there modes have there place. my favorite Scale is the Harmonic Minor scale and it is very good for metal. Very dark and evil sounding. To OP: Harmonic Minor IS very good for metal. not much different from a major scale other than the 7th note of the scale is augmented. E F# G A B C D# E just to clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 thanks alot guys this is helping , its confusing since i dont know any theory but ill get it, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bowe Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 if you want to really show off, look up pitch axis theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 is the harmonic minor the arabic sounding scale? because thats what i really want to learn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_3WMhndhrg this is what im loocking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamackie Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 is the harmonic minor the arabic sounding scale? because thats what i really want to learn.. ... I guess. You might also be looking for the Phrygian. Learn all your scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Steveanders86 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 is the harmonic minor the arabic sounding scale? because thats what i really want to learn.. cant watch your video above from work, but yes, harmonic minor is the arabic/egyptian sounding scale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jcm800_6550 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 now how the modes and stuff work? i see that there are 7 modes of harmonic minor each sounding slightly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pamackie Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Modes contain the same notes as the scale they're based on. Each scale has as many modes as it has unique tones. Usually people just refer to the modes of the major scale, but all scales have modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stompboxfreak72 Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 Learn the J demolished scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Holy-diver Posted February 3, 2010 Members Share Posted February 3, 2010 the best thing is to learn all the modes for the major scale, learn the box scales, and then later add in specific licks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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