Members sabrex Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2004/P1010017.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.ibanezrules.com/new/at300.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=60&tbnid=uOMhiUHEYGq5xM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dandy%2Btimmons%2Bibanez&hl=en&usg=__XEsGC6N4l1ysZGzRptYdkqqcFvo=&ei=Wcx6S8i3JoP18Qag55GbCg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=13&ct=image&ved=0CC8Q9QEwDA Mahogony sabre with a wilkinson trem. Looks like the older, slightly thicker H&S body style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheRymanChu Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Jackass (n) fathead, goof, goofball, bozo, jackass, goose, cuckoo, twat, zany (a man who is a stupid incompetent fool) (n) jack, jackass (male donkey) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2004/P1010017.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.ibanezrules.com/new/at300.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=60&tbnid=uOMhiUHEYGq5xM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dandy%2Btimmons%2Bibanez&hl=en&usg=__XEsGC6N4l1ysZGzRptYdkqqcFvo=&ei=Wcx6S8i3JoP18Qag55GbCg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=13&ct=image&ved=0CC8Q9QEwDAMahogony sabre with a wilkinson trem. Looks like the older, slightly thicker H&S body style. I'd like to see an ad for any "Sabre" that reached $1500 retail new... I got an older S model with an edge Pro & paid less than $350 used... I call BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 The early 90 H&S and Fugigen Sabres were $1500 guitars. They have more mass than the current Korean Sabres and compare favorably to Timmons model. I only play the 20 year old sabres, the new ones are too light. Yes Ive been playing that long. Timmons main axe, the one based on the sabre, is Mahogony as you point out. Agree they are not identical, probably the biggest difference is the bridge, but even the s540s all have different tones based on their wood top and mojo. I confess the only timmons album I have is the "That was then, this is now." compilation. Most of his tones have the glassy mahogony top end. I dont hear much alder in those songs, but that is me.My opinion (obvisouly) is that the Timmonz tone is not that hard to accomplish. A mid heavy, medium output bucker with a glassy, instead of harsh top. Can get pretty close with the stock Quantum pickups im mid90s sabres. (Could probably get real close moving the neck to the bridge) The F2 dimarzios in early 90s ones not so close. They are more like a tone zone.Actually proud to have ony 131 posts. This is not an alternate account and I dont hang out much on music sites, although I was just in surgery and am sitting on my ass for the past two weeks. The AT300 (Mahogany) wasn't in production at the time of That Was Then, This Is Now, I believe. So, unless he used other guitars (totally possible, but unlikely any LP or such was used), it was an alder bodied Ibanez Strat. Having low posts is fine, I have a low post count. What makes you stand out is your very noob views regarding tone & talent coupled with your low post count. Opinions are opinions, and I can't tell you that AT's tone is good to your ears. But your views on Andy's tone & gear is clearly in the minority on tone, and moderately uninformed on gear. You simply come off as inexperienced & not knowing great guitar tone. In fact, I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about Andy's tones, quite the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sabrex Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd like to see an ad for any "Sabre" that reached $1500 retail new...I got an older S model with an edge Pro & paid less than $350 used... I call BS Those were $1300 when new, minus case. $1100 was a good deal. http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/price/1993/4_Sep/p02.jpg They went up to $1450 in the mid/late 90s.http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/price/1997/2_Aug/p02.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sabrex Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 The AT300 (Mahogany) wasn't in production at the time of That Was Then, This Is Now, I believe. So, unless he used other guitars (totally possible, but unlikely any LP or such was used), it was an alder bodied Ibanez Strat.Having low posts is fine, I have a low post count. What makes you stand out is your very noob views regarding tone & talent coupled with your low post count. Opinions are opinions, and I can't tell you that AT's tone is good to your ears. But your views on Andy's tone & gear is clearly in the minority on tone, and moderately uninformed on gear. You simply come off as inexperienced & not knowing great guitar tone. In fact, I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about Andy's tones, quite the opposite. I dont hear alder in timmons tone. Hes been playing for 30+ years, do you know what he played before his signature axe? I dont, and I dont care. His tone is not hard to accomplish, and is generic, mid output bucker tone. Laney head, greenbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members saijo Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 :lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TheRymanChu Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 They've already proven to you that he's used far more than Laneys, yet you persist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Those were $1300 when new, minus case. $1100 was a good deal.http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/price/1993/4_Sep/p02.jpgThey went up to $1450 in the mid/late 90s.http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/price/1997/2_Aug/p02.jpg I'd like to see an ad for any "Sabre" that reached $1500 retail new... Again, man... weak argument. I looked at the price lists, they're showing list price. You ever paid list price for a guitar? The AT100 sells right now for $2300-$2400, and lists for around $3k or so. Now I'm all for taking a low or mid priced guitar & getting it to sound alot like a much higher priced guitar, but your argument gets worse with every post. The more you post, the less similar your guitar gets to an AT model, and the more you claim that it is, at this point of your argument, so close that it renders comparison unnecessary. Even used, there's more than a thousand to eighteen hundred dollar difference between your guitar of choice and the more affordable AT model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 I dont hear alder in timmons tone. Hes been playing for 30+ years, do you know what he played before his signature axe? I dont, and I dont care.His tone is not hard to accomplish, and is generic, mid output bucker tone. Laney head, greenbacks. All factual evidence in this thread , even from Andy Timmons himself, to the contrary..... You still persist. Do you know what I hear in your tone? That's right....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sabrex Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd like to see an ad for any "Sabre" that reached $1500 retail new...Again, man... weak argument. I looked at the price lists, they're showing list price. You ever paid list price for a guitar? The AT100 sells right now for $2300-$2400, and lists for around $3k or so. Jesus christ, you are a {censored}ing idiot and liar. The link to the timmons guitar I posted retails for $1799. And I posted the link to the official Ibanez price list that showed the mid 90s Sabres retialed for $1450. Is that not close enough to $1500? At least do some fact checking before you lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cougar Hunter Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Why are we arguing about Ibanez prices, now? I'm lost. What happened to "Andy Timmons ain't all that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sabrex Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Why are we arguing about Ibanez prices, now? I'm lost. What happened to "Andy Timmons ain't all that." Its just random baiting on various topics to get a rise from me. I'm not a big fan of Timmons, but he deserves better than this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Jesus christ, you are a {censored}ing idiot and liar. The link to the timmons guitar I posted retails for $1799. And I posted the link to the official Ibanez price list that showed the mid 90s Sabres retialed for $1450. Is that not close enough to $1500? At least do some fact checking before you lie. Retailed? Retailed. Really? I see a whole lot of list, nothing about what they retail for. I pointed this out before & you continue to make a fool of yourself. Your next post should start with "Please let me withdraw & rephrase". Where on these pages you linked to do see the word retail? One of the price lists was from 97. The current AT model today retails retails for a thousand dollars more than the current top of the line S series. You're clearly well beyond the point where you should've stopped posting. Few can recover from a hole this deep. I assume you should be finished by now, but if you want to continue..... be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Just A Box Posted February 16, 2010 Members Share Posted February 16, 2010 Its just random baiting on various topics to get a rise from me. I'm not a big fan of Timmons, but he deserves better than this thread. You may need meds. You're the only guy here bashing him, and suddenly you're defending him? From yourself? You haven't had anything positive to say about the guy yet. You sir, are the SABRE rattler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr R Gecko Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 Sabrex, honestly, listen to "Resolution" and then come back to this thread. The tone on "That Was Then, This Is Now" is kinda all over the place because it's a compilation of sorts but even then, to say it's generic is just ridiculous. It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thinkpad20 Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 Actually proud to have ony 131 posts. This is not an alternate account and I dont hang out much on music sites, although I was just in surgery and am sitting on my ass for the past two weeks. Wahoo, you have 131 (now 142) posts. You joined less than a month ago. And since when is not having posts something to be proud of? Not saying having posts is something to be proud of necessarily, but... also you seem like a real self-important toolbag, but that's neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Uncle_Milton Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 What exactly goes into designing a pickup for a 25" scale length guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raine36 Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 What's he doing in that fast run at ~18 seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sheik_Yerbouti Posted February 17, 2010 Members Share Posted February 17, 2010 Effective troll is effective.Seriously guys, we're being trolled.NO ONE is that stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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