Members opivy Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 so yea. unite yo! someday i will learn Recuerdos de la Alhambra, that will be joyous indeed. thank god for classical... awesome music, challenging as anything, and my dumbass friends don't know about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members min7b5 Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 Originally posted by opivy so yea. unite yo! someday i will learn Recuerdos de la Alhambra, that will be joyous indeed. thank god for classical... awesome music, challenging as anything, and my dumbass friends don't know about it Great post. yeah, it's funny to think about all the young people slaving away at learning to sweep pick shred licks and so on. Playing Recuerdos de la Alhambra fast and clean, now that's a manly task... or womanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Grumpy Ol' Geezer Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 Recuerdos de Alhambra is hard core classical. Personally, I'll never get there. Heck, "La Malaguena" is good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Danocoustic Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 I don't know much about classical guitar, except that I love to listen to it.....Had to drive to Ann Arbor yesterday. Put in a tape of JBream doing a salute to Segovia. WOW!!! Broke every speed limit in three counties.Shred licks? Sweep picking? PAH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJWhiting Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 i have to say that my favorite classical tremelo piece to play is Barrios' "Una Limosna por el Amor de Dios". One of those pieces that reaches me. but i do love "recuerdos". Glad that i finally found a place where i can jam with some fellow classical players! slaving over the third movement of "the cathedral" right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 I am an electric guitar player of several years that has only recently started on the classical guitar, but I am quickly becoming addicted to the "organic" feel and tone of the nylon strings. So please recommend me some good beginner pieces to learn in the short term, and some "hard core" virtuoso pieces to aspire to in the long term, thanks But hey, don't dis sweeping licks They are fun to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 Just downloaded "Recuerdos de Alhambra" by Segovia.... did he play both the tremolo part and the moving bass line (for lack of a better term) on one guitar at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJWhiting Posted January 6, 2004 Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 yeah. in tremelo the A, M, and I fingers are playing the treble part alternating with the bass part played with the thumb. it is a really great technique. Edit: if you want to listen to a couple of other pieces using this technique, download: La Ultima Cancion (Una Limosna por el Amor de Dios) by Barrios, and Campanas de Alba, by Sainz de la Maza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members opivy Posted January 6, 2004 Author Members Share Posted January 6, 2004 what really sucks is, i wanna learn it NOW but my geetar teacher tells me how it took him 15 years.i'd love to learn to shred though... i still love the death metal man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 Originally posted by opivy what really sucks is, i wanna learn it NOW but my geetar teacher tells me how it took him 15 years. That long? wow... Originally posted by opivy i'd love to learn to shred though... i still love the death metal man I am always trying to broaden my musical horizons/range too A bit OT, but I personally find that shredding is mostly about the pick's angle of attack and left/right hand relaxation. Really fast alternate picking and sweeping ability was literally gained overnight once I realized that. But the hard part is actually have something musical to say with that speed, which is part of the reason I am beginning to get into real Classical guitar playing (so listening to Neoclassical Shredding is good for something after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opivy Posted January 7, 2004 Author Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 yea, i wish it were that easy for me. i can play fast in bursts, but i need to learn to straight up tremolo pick really fast and for long periods of time. its not so much solos that concern me anyways, i'd be satisfied with metal rhythm playing....because then i can scream i'm aware that its all about relaxation, i've been practicing it slowly but i have to be anal about perfection. which is tough. i guess i need to focus more *cough* quit the wrestling team *cough* but how do you mean pick angle? i'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 Opivy: check your PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJWhiting Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 one practice technique that makes tremelo a little easier and less tiring on your right hand is to play your A, M, and I fingers together on the 1st string. Alternate AMI with P instead of breaking the fingers apart. Tremelo is a technique that can't really be practiced slowly because the movement requires more of a sweeping motion and less of an alternation of the fingers, which is what your muscles are doing when playing tremelo slowly. So after playing with AMI and P break the fingers apart. When I am practicing my tremelo pieces, i always do this to avoid fatigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anglarna Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 I love classical guitar. I've been playing it for roughly 2 years. I dont think I'll ever come close to Bream but it's certainly another useful trick to have in the bag. Whether it be in a session or teaching situation. Im learning two modern pieces; Leo Brouwer - Elogio De La Danza and Villa Lobos - Prelude No.1. Good fun, with the Brouwer piece being more difficult. Sepultura ripped off a few Brouwer riffs, check out the allegro part of that piece and you'll see why. I'd really like to learn the piece Capricho Arabe though. That's an awesome piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 Originally posted by AJWhiting one practice technique that makes tremelo a little easier and less tiring on your right hand is to play your A, M, and I fingers together on the 1st string. Alternate AMI with P instead of breaking the fingers apart. Tremelo is a technique that can't really be practiced slowly because the movement requires more of a sweeping motion and less of an alternation of the fingers, which is what your muscles are doing when playing tremelo slowly. So after playing with AMI and P break the fingers apart. When I am practicing my tremelo pieces, i always do this to avoid fatigue. Interesting, I was just wondering about that So would it be correct to say that the tremolo motion is similar to the rasquedo (sp) motion, but reversed in direction and done only on one string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Beagle1 Posted January 7, 2004 Members Share Posted January 7, 2004 That is a great piece by Barrios! Also, don't forget his other great tremolo piece "Sueno en la Floresta" which I actually like even a little better than Una Limosna. Barrios was the undisputed master of this technique IMHO, not just in his physical ability but compositionally, in the way he would interweave the tremolo line with secondary melodies in the lower voices.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AJWhiting Posted January 8, 2004 Members Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Leo Chang So would it be correct to say that the tremolo motion is similar to the rasquedo (sp) motion, but reversed in direction and done only on one string? yeah, i guess that would be right! i have never thought of it. tremelo is like a small, reverse, controlled rasqueado. that could work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 8, 2004 Members Share Posted January 8, 2004 now that I can conceptualize it correctly, if only I could *play* it correctly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members opivy Posted January 10, 2004 Author Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by AJWhiting yeah, i guess that would be right! i have never thought of it. tremelo is like a small, reverse, controlled rasqueado. that could work.... speaking of which, rasgueado is badass.and i'm seeing Paco Pena on february 1st :-D twill be fun, i loves the flamenco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members golfnerd Posted January 10, 2004 Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Leo Chang Just downloaded "Recuerdos de Alhambra" by Segovia.... did he play both the tremolo part and the moving bass line (for lack of a better term) on one guitar at the same time? yep....it's incredible to hear it played in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members golfnerd Posted January 10, 2004 Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Leo Chang I am an electric guitar player of several years that has only recently started on the classical guitar, but I am quickly becoming addicted to the "organic" feel and tone of the nylon strings. So please recommend me some good beginner pieces to learn in the short term, and some "hard core" virtuoso pieces to aspire to in the long term, thanks But hey, don't dis sweeping licks They are fun to do get Frederick Noad's Solo Guitar One and Two. THere are LOTS of pieces in there that will keep you very busy foor the next 5-6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members golfnerd Posted January 10, 2004 Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by Beagle1 That is a great piece by Barrios! Also, don't forget his other great tremolo piece "Sueno en la Floresta" which I actually like even a little better than Una Limosna.Barrios was the undisputed master of this technique IMHO, not just in his physical ability but compositionally, in the way he would interweave the tremolo line with secondary melodies in the lower voices. >John Williams also does a killer version of Alhambra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members golfnerd Posted January 10, 2004 Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by opivy speaking of which, rasgueado is badass. and i'm seeing Paco Pena on february 1st :-D twill be fun, i loves the flamenco saw them last year. Paco came out by himself and played. I kept looking for the other guitarists, then realized it was just him. Loved everything about it, but didn't care for the singing very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Leo Chang Posted January 10, 2004 Members Share Posted January 10, 2004 Originally posted by golfnerd get Frederick Noad's Solo Guitar One and Two. THere are LOTS of pieces in there that will keep you very busy foor the next 5-6 years. Thanks, I'll look into that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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