Most experimental bands of the 60s

[Toneranger]

One more:cool:

The Kinks -- where would we be without distortion?

Urban legend says that the Kinks recorded "You really got me" on an amp that had a busted speaker and when they heard it they decided to make multiple slits and magnify the sound

FWIW

[UstadKhanAli]

I thought he slit the speaker with a knife to get that distortion.

[UstadKhanAli]

OTOH, the speaker that was used for (I believe) the bass in "Paranoid" was apparently thrashed but they recorded it anyway.

 

Guess that means Black Sabbath is experimental too!

[syncretism]

 

Originally posted by myshkin Stunning area all right Castlegregory. Mountains and coast, what a combination. Natterjacks pub's there isn't it?

 

 

aye, but i go to my uncle's pub, ferriter's, when i'm home.

[syncretism]

 

Originally posted by UstadKhanAli I'd like to know what your definition of experimental would be in regard to music, and have some examples. Not to be difficult, but just to figure it all out a little more.

 

 

experimental music's a term i'd rather avoid, even if i understand it to mean something like "[self-consciously] weird or different music" in everyday conversation. my own take on it is pretty literal, and not very arcane: an experiment is a sequence of events and actions that yields an unknown result, or tests an hypothesis. naturally, there's experimentation in the studio, but we'd only hear it in situ or in the form of an unedited out-take, without filtration through artistic judgment.

 

i think christian marclay's record without a cover works as an experimental title, as does brian whitman's old eigenradio project. fluxus instructions, a cardew score or a "performance" of cage's "4.33" would have to be pretty remarkable for me to consider them experimental, now.

 

i once crossfaded a crying infant and a mewling kitten for an hour on a college radio station. i thought it was experimental {i was 18, had been reading about psychoacoustics for awhile, and thought i'd see which sound listeners hated the most}, but i reckon that was just annoying.

[realtrance]

I can't believe you mush-heads have gotten this far (4 pages!) without a single mention of the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band!!!

 

Jeez. Every other "experimental" band out there turned out to be a dead end.

 

These guys laid the foundation for rap.

 

[Counterpoint]

Originally posted by Lakesidedave Experimental? How about Miles, Coltrane, Ornette?

 

 

Some of the guys who led the fusion revolution in the 70's had ties to Miles in the 60's.

[Toneranger]

The 60's? ..... this kind of semi-fits the discussion:

 

Where else would you EVER find Johnny Rivers, The Who, Simon & Garfunkel (singing "feeling groovy"), Booker T & the MG

[Toneranger]

Jefferson Airplane

Buffalo Springfield

The Electric Flag

Country Joe & the Fish

Canned Heat

Hugh Masekela

The Byrds

The Animals

Paul Butterfield

 

These are all from the Monterey list. Have they all been mentioned already?

 

Jeff (losing track)

[Toneranger]

One more set:

 

These are (alleged) recordings from the heyday of Underground Radio in San Francisco. This set includes 81 (alleged) tracks on 6 (alleged) CDs, featuring many live performances, primarily produced and broadcast by radio station KSAN FM during the key three years when Bay Area psychadelic music was peaking; from 1966 to 1968.

 

The majority of these recordings came from the Avalon Ballroom and the Fillmore Auditorium, where KSAN often recorded sets and created production reels for local FM transmission.

 

DISC 1

Grateful Dead (partially broadcast on KSAN)

Fillmore Auditorium 11/19/66

1. Bill Graham Introduction (0:37)

2. Cold Rain And Snow (3:08)

3. Hi Heeled Sneakers (4:43)

4. Pain In My Heart (4:02)

5. Beat It On Down The Line (2:59)

6. Cream Puff War (7:40)

7. The Same Thing (11:23)

8. He Was A Friend Of Mine (4:36)

9. Dancin In The Street (7:37)

10. Smokestack Lightning (8:42)

11. King Bee (5:30)

12. In The Midnight Hour (18.20)

 

DISC 2

JEFFERSON AIRPLANE (KSAN Production Reel)

Fillmore Auditorium 1966 & 67 (various shows)

1. 3/5 of a Mile In 10 Seconds (5:12)

2. Runnin' Round (2:36)

3. Somebody To Love (3:07)

4. Today (3:23)

5. Get Together (4:12)

6. Other Side Of This Life (6:50)

7. Fat Angel (6:58)

8. ...Grace talk... (0:04)

9. Go To Her (4:21)

10. She Has Funny Cars (3:35)

QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1966

11. Dino's Song (3:47)

12. Gold And Silver (2:11)

13. Smokestack Lightning (6:09)

COUNTRY JOE & THE FISH (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967

14. Flying High (4:49)

15. Thought Dream (6:45)

16. H-Bomb Song (3:53)

 

DISC 3

BO DIDDLEY (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1966

1. Gunslinger (3:25)

2. Eastern Thang (10:06)

3. Great Grand Daddy (5:40)

4. Hey Bo Diddley (3:10)

5. Everybody Needs Somebody (8:47)

THE BYRDS (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1968

6. So You Wanna Be A Rock & Roll Star (2:46)

7. Goin' Back (4:31)

8. This Wheels On Fire (4:34)

MOBY GRAPE (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967

9. It Depends On You (7:34)

10. Changes (4:23)

11. Leavin' (1:57)

12. Grape Jam with Big Brother... (5:18)

 

DISC 4

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART & HIS MAGIC BAND (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967

1. Tupelo (4:17)

2. Old Folks Boogie (3:07)

3. Evil (2:38)

4. Instrumental (3:12)

BIG BROTHER & THE HOLDING COMPANY (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967 (except track 8 is Fillmore 1968)

5. Bye Bye Baby (4:10)

6. Women Is Losers (5:04)

7. Call On Me (3:51)

8. Ball And Chain (10:52)

INITIAL SHOCK (KPFA/KPFB Broadcast)

Avalon Ballroom 1968

9. Big Boy (6:49)

10. Let Me Be Your Man (8:24)

11. Goin' Down Louisiana (13:21)

12. If You Gotta Go, Go Now->Jam (9:03)

 

DISC 5

CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL (KSAN Production Reel)

Fillmore Auditorium 1968

1. Suzy Q (11:36)

SANTANA (KSAN Production Reel)

Carousel Ballroom 1968

2. Treat->drums->> (11:30)

3. Jingo (4:40)

STEVE MILLER BAND (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967 & 68 (various shows)

4. Steppin High (6:36)

5. Can You Feel Your Daddy's Heartbeat? (2:57)

6. Blues With A Feeling (6:41)

7. Living In The USA (4:26)

8. Steppin' Stone (3:10)

THE SPARROW (Pre-Steppenwolf) (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967

9. Corrina, Corrina/ (1:50)

10. Baby Please Don't Go (4:24)

11. Searchin'/ (0:56)

12. Things Won't Be The Same->jam (8:03)

THE DOORS (KSAN Production Reel)

Avalon Ballroom 1967

13. Who Do You Love (3:49)

 

DISC 6

THE FINAL SOLUTION (Soundboard Reel)

The Matrix 1966 (SBD)

1. Announcements/Intro (0:44)

2. Tell Me Again (6:01)

3. Bleeding Rose (8:22)

4. If You Want (4:14)

5. You Say You Love Me-> (4:23)

Got My Mojo Workin'

6. Time Is Here And Now (2:58)

7. Bo Diddley Meets Sandy Nelson (5:07)

8. Truck Drivin Son Of A Gun (4:05)

9. Just Like Gold (7:04)

10. Misty Mind (6:12)

11. So Long Goodbye-> (0:39)

12. America The Beautiful (0:47)

THE KALIEDESCOPE (w/David Lindley) (broadcast on KSAN )

1968 Studio Outtake:

13. Just A Taste (2:09)

TERRY REID (w/David Lindley) (broadcast on KSAN )

1968 Studio Outtakes:

14. Silver And White Light (4:44)

15. With No Expression (5:07)

16. Think Twice (4:43

 

The (alleged) liner notes to the (alleged) recordings have this interesting note.

 

There

[Magpel]

Niall, you, in conjunction with a good Google or two, are a walking education in the avant garde (or whatever name(s) you'd rather call it).

 

Also, you write like silk and butta. Just thougt I'd mention that. I appreciate a fine, felicitous, and unforced wirting style when I stumble upon one.

 

Now just to quibble once more-- in science, are not reports, conlcusions, and practicall applications all part of a larger something we can call the experimental process? is there any analog in that world for the kind of pure experimentalism you describe in music?

 

I would argue then that experimental music, like experimental science, includes and presupposes interpretation, application and judgments of worth, and that it is no less experimental for it.

 

...Let me remove this turtleneck before it strangles me.

[fred zappelin]

Listen to the first Zep album. Case Closed.

 

Here`s a couple more:

Donovan

Crazy World of Arthur Brown

 

 

 

[myshkin]

Pretty interesting link to the afore-mentioned Delia Derbyshire of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Anyone complaining about limitations of technology now take note of the patience of the folk them days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire

[squeedle53]

Haven't read the entire thread, but how 'bout The Beacon Street Union:p

[jackcheez]

So. I go away for three days and you talk about my favorite {censored} while I'm gone. :mad:

[UstadKhanAli]

Originally posted by myshkin Pretty interesting link to the afore-mentioned Delia Derbyshire of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Anyone complaining about limitations of technology now take note of the patience of the folk them days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99dSr-H978&search=delia%20derbyshire

 

I would have actually wrote this but I was trying to keep it primarily with bands.

 

This stuff that you mentioned here with Delia Derbyshire (why couldn't she have been my mother? ) is some of the most cutting-edge music to have come out of the '60s, easily surpassing almost every band mentioned in this thread for experimentalism and innovation.

 

I really don't feel I am engaging in hyperbole here - the people at the BBC Radiophonic workshop were amazing innovators, and my hat's off to them.

[sparksongs]

Napoleon XIV ("They're Coming To Take Me Away")

[myshkin]

Originally posted by UstadKhanAli I would have actually wrote this but I was trying to keep it primarily with bands . This stuff that you mentioned here with Delia Derbyshire (why couldn't she have been my mother? ) is some of the most cutting-edge music to have come out of the '60s, easily surpassing almost every band mentioned in this thread for experimentalism and innovation. I really don't feel I am engaging in hyperbole here - the people at the BBC Radiophonic workshop were amazing innovators, and my hat's off to them.

 

And that Dr Who tune is stunning, I think a solo piece by Delia. ANd that charming refined voice.....

[Toneranger]

 

Originally posted by sparksongs Napoleon XIV ("They're Coming To Take Me Away")

 

 

You made the quantum leap from experimental to downright loony.

 

How about Flippy T. Fishead's Werecow

 

. Werecow

There's a full moon in the pasture tonight

Hangs like a fine and polished pearl, so pure and white

The average guy finds so much beauty in its light

But I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

I'm a werecow

Now I'm stuck

 

It seemed so innocent when Bossy bit my hand

I was just tryin' to milk her, but I didn't understand

That Bossy really was Pierre the handyman

He was a werecow

Moo moo moo

He was a werecow

Moo moo moo

 

By day I work the fields here on my daddy's farm

By night I roam the neighbor's place in search of corn

Chewin' my cud and tryin' to keep my udders warm

I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

 

The mornings after always make my family wince

I know it's hard for them to try and make some sense

Of finding me naked with my head stuck through a fence

I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

I'm a werecow

 

I found this gypsy who said she could break the curse

Said that she sympathized with me but she'd seen worse

Said Lon Chaney, Jr. used to be a client of hers

She was pretty, wore a real nice dress

Shoot, I was impressed!

 

She asked for money and I gladly said I'd pay

But when she said a million bucks, I swear I was enraged

So I bit that gypsy, and now, well, we're engaged

She's a werecow

Moo moo moo

She's a werecow

Moo moo moo

She's a werecow

And a pretty little heifer she is too

 

These days the sheriff lets me spend the night in jail

So I won't hurt nobody when the moon turns pale

Or end up some entree at the local Steak & Ale

I'm a werecow

Moo moo moo

I'm a werecow

 

Somebody, somebody call a vet

Yeah, I think I'm gettin' a touch of milk fever

I'm a werecow!

[syncretism]

 

Originally posted by Magpel Niall, you, in conjunction with a good Google or two, are a walking education in the avant garde (or whatever name(s) you'd rather call it).

 

 

ha. you're too kind. i'll buy you a pint at the bacchus, next time i'm in town, for your trouble.

 

 

I would argue then that experimental music, like experimental science, includes and presupposes interpretation, application and judgments of worth, and that it is no less experimental for it.

 

 

i think the judgments of worth are what make music music. cherrypicking scientific results isn't really comparable. you have to be transparent about your scientific findings and the events that led to them, warts and all. if a musician doesn't cherrypick, the music probably won't be all that compelling to me.

 

[edit: also, delia D was hott. big fan of the bbcrw]

[UstadKhanAli]

Originally posted by myshkin And that Dr Who tune is stunning, I think a solo piece by Delia. ANd that charming refined voice.....

 

Oh, speaking of Delia Derbyshire, she was in a band called White Noise in the '60s, so I guess she can now be "officially" be included in this thread!

 

That piece is really great. A few of those BBC Radiophonic Workshop compilation CDs have a lot of pieces by her and her colleagues, and are fascinating, especially when you discover how meticulously and painstakingly they were put together.

[Magpel]

 

Originally posted by syncretism ha. you're too kind. i'll buy you a pint at the bacchus, next time i'm in town, for your trouble.

 

 

You're on. Oh that's right, we've made this connection before, haven't we. Didn't you do time in Stone Ridge/High Falls Rosendale and environs?

[syncretism]

aye, my best friend lives there.

 

[edit: in new paltz, on... apple road?]

[syncretism]

Originally posted by UstadKhanAli Oh, speaking of Delia Derbyshire, she was in a band called White Noise in the '60s, so I guess she can now be "officially" be included in this thread!

 

for like the third time

 

if y'all are ever hungry for more stuff like that...

 

http://syncretism.net/playlists/electroacoustic.html

[HCarlH]

From 1969.....W-E-I-R-D. As is the followup, Easy Action