can I just not use the string trees?

[jackie_thompsen]

I finally figured out that my jerky/unstable tuning problems were not because of binding at the nut slots, but at the string trees (strat-style headstock), despite my best efforts to lubricate them.

 

I decided to just not use the string trees, and let the strings go right from the nut to the tuning posts. I've tested it over and over and can hear no difference in sound.

 

My fear is that the angle of pull on the headstock is too much now - with the full force of the strings pulling forward on the headstock, instead of along the headstock as when using the trees.

 

Do you think there's any chance this could SNAP the headstock?

[GAS Man]

 

Do you think there's any chance this could SNAP the headstock?

 

 

I don't think you have to worry about that, but you might experience a bit of loss of tone and sustain. The string trees are there to maintain a break angle after the nut to exert sufficient downward pressure at the nut.

 

You might want to go to Sperzel staggered height tuners (and stay string-tree-less), or also check out Graphtec string trees. But if you're not suffering any of the maladies I mentioned above, then don't worry about it.

[GAS Man]

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Graph-Tech-TremNut-String-Trees-pair?sku=360453

[GAS Man]

These aren't graphite, but they also have lower friction

 

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-String-Guide-2?sku=361342

[atrox]

They are mostly useful for your B & E strings to get the proper downward angle. I suggest using the Graphtech Trees. Staggered tuners help, but still the angle should be more than they provide.

 

No worries about the headstock. It won't pop

[leopardstar]

 

I don't think you have to worry about that, but you might experience a bit of loss of tone and sustain. The string trees are there to maintain a break angle after the nut to exert sufficient downward pressure at the nut. You might want to go to Sperzel staggered height tuners (and stay string-tree-less), or also check out Graphtec string trees. But if you're not suffering any of the maladies I mentioned above, then don't worry about it.

 

 

yeah what he said ^^^^^ +1000

['s mel gibson]

Do you think there's any chance this could SNAP the headstock?

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I have never ever heard of a snapped or broken Fender headstock. I'm sure it's possible if you really want to make it happen. But from falling on it's face or on it's back, never. String angle. Pffft! Even in a fight in a bar.

 

Without the string trees, the worst that's going to happen is your Hi-E string will hop off the nut and that's a pita when you're into a solo. I've never had the B string migrate on me though.

[inkblot]

I think the idea is that the angle of the strings improves sustain mostly? In any case, if its not bothering you it isn't a problem, but it wouldn't be expensive to get some other string trees either.

[Goldtopper]

jackie- you dont get buzz on the hi E string with the tree removed? (my MIM strat sure does)

 

I had another thread on this, and tuners with shorter posts were mentioned, but so far I cant find a specific make & model number.

[chrisandronna]

I don't know what you've tried to use to lubricate the trees, but I take a q-tip diped in a little vaseline and run it underneath when i change strings, and a little pencil lead in the nut slots and it works great.