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  • #16
    Now please do not read anything into this other than what it is. Your comments are based on an assumption, that being the OP won't follow the directions and will plug into the input labeled "Thru" as opposed to the one labeled "In." Although I provided a diagram and directions, I, too, was working under an assumption, that being the OP is bright enough to tell the difference between "In" and "Thru."

    And I never once said you were wrong. In the "grasshoppah" post I quoted a section of the manual that said the front "Guitar In" jack is buffered to both rear jacks and by using it the OP would be sending a buffered signal to both pre-amps, which also served to clarify which jack the OP should use. Then in my last post I pointed out that your were absolutely correct in saying using the two "Feed Thru" jacks does not yield a buffered signal, which is why I am confused with regard to why we are even having this discussion. I never told the OP, or anyone else for that matter, to use the "Feed Thru" jack on the front panel. You are reinforcing that by telling them to be sure they don't make the mistake of using the "Feed Thru" jack.

    Are we not saying the same thing, and if so, how about if I strive to provide clearer instructions in the future and we just put this one behind us?


    My entire goal in posting in this thread was for the benefit of the OP. I've dealt with numerous cases of folks missing the significance of the inputs on the front of the GCX and it causing problems with their rig (either splitting an unbuffered signal, or running a buffered signal into an input sensitive fuzz). I worded my initial post very carefully as I didn't want to ruffle any feathers (pun intended ). I'm sure the OP fully understands the issue now, so I agree with you. Purpose served.
    Wes

    Parker Guitars
    Budda Amplifiers

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    • #17
      The "grasshoppah" comment, with or without smilies implies a "you are the student and I am the teacher" mentality which I didn't think was at all necessary.
      Then please allow me to apologize again. My intent was not to be patronizing, condescending, or in any way disrespectful. I was hoping to inject a little jocularity but apparently failed.
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      • #18
        Then please allow me to apologize again. My intent was not to be patronizing, condescending, or in any way disrespectful. I was hoping to inject a little jocularity but apparently failed.


        No worries man.
        Wes

        Parker Guitars
        Budda Amplifiers

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        • #19
          When I get a list of my rack on here would you guys show me how to set it up I have too much gear but I love it all

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          • #20
            When I get a list of my rack on here would you guys show me how to set it up I have too much gear but I love it all
            Between Boltino and me, I'm sure we could offer some suggestions
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            • #21
              Between Boltino and me, I'm sure we could offer some suggestions


              We'll have to leave the diagramming up to you, mine are scrawled intelligibly on legal pads.
              Wes

              Parker Guitars
              Budda Amplifiers

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              • #22
                Between Boltino and me, I'm sure we could offer some suggestions


                Here goes I have a big rig but I do not know how to set it up I have a 100w Plexi,a 1964 Bandmaster I have alot of pedals but I only put 6 or so on my Pboard .Then there is my Rack I have a Furman Power con/light.Then a Soho 2 channel Tube poreamp,Next a Art SGE multiFx that I use for pitcshifting and a 12 string fx.Next is a Roland SRV2000 Digital Reverb,Next a Roland SDE 1000 Delay,next a Yamaha D1500 Delay,Next a Digitech 7.6 Sample delay,last a PS Systems Power Tool (www.EB100S.com) It is a reactive load you need to go on that web site to see all that it does.Click on Power Tool It is a unreal great tool I also have a small 16 track Carvin Mixer and a 4 track tape,and a 1/2" mixdown deck, 2 limiters and compressors I just want to be able to use one or two rack FX at a time I do not know what Thru means PLEASE show me what I can do I got hurt 5 years ago and my brain is still on the mend and I can walk agin Thanks alot

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                • #23
                  Here goes I have a big rig but I do not know how to set it up I have a 100w Plexi,a 1964 Bandmaster I have alot of pedals but I only put 6 or so on my Pboard .Then there is my Rack I have a Furman Power con/light.Then a Soho 2 channel Tube poreamp,Next a Art SGE multiFx that I use for pitcshifting and a 12 string fx.Next is a Roland SRV2000 Digital Reverb,Next a Roland SDE 1000 Delay,next a Yamaha D1500 Delay,Next a Digitech 7.6 Sample delay,last a PS Systems Power Tool (www.EB100S.com) It is a reactive load you need to go on that web site to see all that it does.Click on Power Tool It is a unreal great tool I also have a small 16 track Carvin Mixer and a 4 track tape,and a 1/2" mixdown deck, 2 limiters and compressors I just want to be able to use one or two rack FX at a time I do not know what Thru means PLEASE show me what I can do I got hurt 5 years ago and my brain is still on the mend and I can walk agin Thanks alot



                  That's quite a list of gear! Unfortunately I don't think I can help you with setting all of this up with a GCX. I'm not sure what you are wanting to accomplish with having all of this stuff hooked up together in a switching rig so it's hard to know how to go about it. Sorry I can't be of more help; good luck.
                  Wes

                  Parker Guitars
                  Budda Amplifiers

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                  • #24
                    Here goes I have a big rig but I do not know how to set it up I have a 100w Plexi,a 1964 Bandmaster I have alot of pedals but I only put 6 or so on my Pboard .Then there is my Rack I have a Furman Power con/light.Then a Soho 2 channel Tube poreamp,Next a Art SGE multiFx that I use for pitcshifting and a 12 string fx.Next is a Roland SRV2000 Digital Reverb,Next a Roland SDE 1000 Delay,next a Yamaha D1500 Delay,Next a Digitech 7.6 Sample delay,last a PS Systems Power Tool (www.EB100S.com) It is a reactive load you need to go on that web site to see all that it does.Click on Power Tool It is a unreal great tool I also have a small 16 track Carvin Mixer and a 4 track tape,and a 1/2" mixdown deck, 2 limiters and compressors I just want to be able to use one or two rack FX at a time I do not know what Thru means PLEASE show me what I can do I got hurt 5 years ago and my brain is still on the mend and I can walk agin Thanks alot
                    Can I use a GX to run my preamp and the reverb and delays Thats 6 rack FX into my mixer

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                    • #25
                      Just off the top of my head...



                      If you use a dedicated tuner, connect it to Loop one as shown, but DO NOT run a signal back to the GCX from the tuner out. When you activate Loop One, your guitar signal gets routed only to the tuner so you get totally silent tuning. If you don't want to use a dedicated tuner, just split the guitar signal, go directly to the amps and leave Loop 1 open.

                      Coming out of Loop One we split your signal and go to your preamps. This could also be done via the GCX using the Send and Out jacks from, say, Loop Two, but then you would be using one loop to choose which amp to send the signal out to and a second loop to choose between the two return signals, currently assigned to Loop 7. No sense doing that when you can get the job done using just one loop.

                      Loops 5 and 6 are configured as latching switches and will control channel switching on the Crate and Mesa.

                      Again, Loop 7 lets you select which preamp section to use, the Crate or the Mesa.

                      Loop 8 handles the signal from your Multi-FX unit. Leave it on and you've got effects. Turn it off and you have a dry signal.

                      Any open loop can be used to put an effect in front of your pre-amps, like additional dirt boxes or a wah pedal.

                      I'd recommend running your GCPro in 4 Preset/Bank mode. This will allow you to use the top two rows of buttons as described above, and the bottom row of buttons to change effects pre-sets on your Multi-FX unit via MIDI.

                      Hope this helps...


                      It doesn't load or mud up the tone

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                      • #26
                        For any amp head with a serial FX loop, you can switch between an amp's internal preamp and an external preamp trivially by using a an fx loop type pedal like the Boss LS-2. It's really easy. No huge floorboard or tricky stuff necessary.

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                        • #27
                          so much suggestion.
                          thx..

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