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  • '61 Telecaster - real or fake?

    Where can I find some good info to help me tell if this tele is really a '61 Tele?
    Can anyone suggest some good links to sites with this info?

    Serial number on the neck plate is 59987.

    The guy is asking $400. Should I buy it?

    Here are some pics for the vintage experts.





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  • #2
    Yeah...

    Real '61s have rosewood slab boards, no?

    http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender.html#serial

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    • #3
      '61 Tele for $400 = fail. Could have gotten that neck plate from anywhere.

      Real one's go for anything between $20,000 - $25,000, so it's clearly buyer beware here.

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      • #4
        '61 Tele for $400 = fail. Could have gotten that neck plate from anywhere.

        Real one's go for anything between $20,000 - $25,000, so it's clearly buyer beware here.


        Real single early 60's Tele pick-ups sell for much more than $400, apiece!
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        • #5
          Is that the same one as this one...

          http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2318126

          Same information applies...it's not a '61 neck (should be rosewood), it's not a '61 pickguard (should be white/mint), that's not a '61 neck joint, those aren't '61 fretmarkers (too wide), and that isn't a '61 finish (it's easily some sort of poly, the neck finish is satin poly). And it's not a '61 logo. Plus, notice how the pickguard isn't cut round around the neck joint.

          Anyone should be able to spot that's a relatively recent import. Does it really only take a $8 neck plate, which can be bought with any random '50's or '60's serial number for many dealers, to fool people these days?

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          • #6
            Is that the same one as this one...

            http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2318126

            Same information applies...it's not a '61 neck (should be rosewood), it's not a '61 pickguard (should be white/mint), that's not a '61 neck joint, those aren't '61 fretmarkers (too wide), and that isn't a '61 finish (it's easily some sort of poly, the neck finish is satin poly). And it's not a '61 logo. Plus, notice how the pickguard isn't cut round around the neck joint.

            Anyone should be able to spot that's a relatively recent import. Does it really only take a $8 neck plate, which can be bought with any random '50's or '60's serial number for many dealers, to fool people these days?


            It IS the same guitar and same serial number. The guy selling it doesn't claim the guitar is a '61 Telem but he says: "From what I can tell, it's some sort of vintage telecaster. seeing as true vintage usa made tele's usually go for several thousands, my guess is that this is not one of those (but if i'm wrong, i'm probably making the bigest mistake EVER). "

            From the story on the other thread, this guitar changed hands yesterday for $500 and now the new owner is selling for $400. The new owner claims his wife is making him sell it.

            It is definately not a '61. But is it worth $400?
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            • #7


              It is definately not a '61. But is it worth $400?


              ???? Honestly, without knowing it's origin, it's hard to tell...it could be.

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              • #8
                I can't believe this has reared it's ugly head again.
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                • #9
                  Simple, take off the neck and check the dates. I'm 100% sure that it's not a 61. It looks like my 94 MIJ.

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                  • #10
                    offer em $275. It's still a cool looking tele
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                    • #11
                      Not even close.
                      Two types of people you don't want to argue with.... geniuses and fools. .....it helps if you can tell the difference.

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                      • #12
                        A '61 would have a rosewood board, as well as a much different finish than the one that's on that.

                        That looks like a Mexican Tele to me.
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                        • #13
                          the trussrod plug looks just like a MIJ/CIJ plug which are more pointy and longer than AVRI or vintage....also original owner says the logo is under the finish which again points to mij/cij

                          Everyone is dating this tele by the neck plate alone. Not a good idea.

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                          • #14
                            It IS the same guitar and same serial number. The guy selling it doesn't claim the guitar is a '61 Telem but he says: "From what I can tell, it's some sort of vintage telecaster. seeing as true vintage usa made tele's usually go for several thousands, my guess is that this is not one of those (but if i'm wrong, i'm probably making the bigest mistake EVER). "

                            From the story on the other thread, this guitar changed hands yesterday for $500 and now the new owner is selling for $400. The new owner claims his wife is making him sell it.

                            It is definately not a '61. But is it worth $400?


                            I dunno...looks like a MIM 50's Classic Tele neck slapped on some import body, with no further efforts at vintage mockery save for that plate S/N. :idk:
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                            • #15
                              '61 Tele for $400 = fail. Could have gotten that neck plate from anywhere.

                              Real one's go for anything between $20,000 - $25,000, so it's clearly buyer beware here.


                              Wow, I sold my 61 Tele in 1970 for $75.00
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