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    this is my Ric 330:







    i bought it in 2006, but it's never quite become my main player. great instrument, love the feel (especially with 11s), but the sound is just...off.



    as you can see, it came with a set of "hi-gain" pickups. despite the name, they're actually quite low output. much lower output than my telecaster, which is outfitted with an SD Alnico II and Jerry Donahue set.



    there are two main issues i have with the guitar:



    1. the 5th knob only works on the neck pickup. it's like a redundant volume control instead of the blend pot (or master volume) it should be.

    1a. it never fully goes down to zero. it'll cut the neck pup's output in half, but that's about it. you need to take it the rest of the way with the individual guitar volume.

    1b. when both knobs are full on, the neck pickup is significantly louder than the bridge pickup.



    2. the bridge pickup sounds kinda pinched. like there is a beautiful full range tone trying to get out, but something is preventing it from happening.





    when i last brought the instrument to 30th Street Guitars, Matt felt like there was nothing wrong with the wiring.



    so, what do we think the issues here are? bad pots? mixed up pickups? unrealistic expectations? and other than the last one ( ) how do i solve this?
    The Common Sense Mets Fan

    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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    EMGs. Floyd.
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    • #3






      Quote Originally Posted by xrleroyx
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      EMGs. Floyd.




      covered (well, at least the floyd part):



      The Common Sense Mets Fan

      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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      • #4
        I dunno man. I had a 330 and I felt that 5th knob just got the **************** in the way at all times. I did like the pickups, I threw them through some OD for a cool Strokes or Smiths toan.
        dharmaforone.bandcamp.comListen to my music and such.Strat - Jazzmaster - Bunch of fuzz and delay pedals - map.

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        • #5






          Quote Originally Posted by xrleroyx
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          I dunno man. I had a 330 and I felt that 5th knob just got the **************** in the way at all times. I did like the pickups, I threw them through some OD for a cool Strokes or Smiths toan.




          i've been leaning towards re-wiring the 5th knob as a master volume pretty much since i got the guitar. i think i need to just do it. but that won't solve the volume imbalance.
          The Common Sense Mets Fan

          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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          • #6
            Not to be funny or anything, and it probably does not address your concerns, but I'd say to leave it intact and sell it. There are a lot of Rics out there that folks have altered trying to get a different sound or feel only to be dissatisfied with the outcome. There are still enough Ric fans who'd like the guitar as it is. I'd say see if you can find one of them and head in a different direction ...

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              Quote Originally Posted by JRicoC
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              Not to be funny or anything, and it probably does not address your concerns, but I'd say to leave it intact and sell it. There are a lot of Rics out there that folks have altered trying to get a different sound or feel only to be dissatisfied with the outcome. There are still enough Ric fans who'd like the guitar as it is. I'd say see if you can find one of them and head in a different direction ...




              not gonna happen. the guitar plays like a dream and pickups and electronics can always be replaced. i have zero reverence for guitars as collectors items.
              The Common Sense Mets Fan

              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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              • #8
                I have a 360, well, duh, my avatar kinda demonstrates that. Sounds like you need to lower the neck pickup and raise the bridge pickup to achieve equal volumes when switching the pickup selector from bridge to neck.



                The blend pot shouldn't kill the overall volume. It goes from full on bridge pickup (counterclockwise) to full on neck pickup (clockwise). It's not supposed to attenuate the volume. The pickup volume knobs do that.



                Once your pickups are balanced regarding their output, you'll prolly love the blend pot. Well, maybe it's just me, but I love the 'effin thing.



                Hope you get it sorted. It's a great color!!
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                • #9






                  Quote Originally Posted by onerailunder
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                  I have a 360, well, duh, my avatar kinda demonstrates that. Sounds like you need to lower the neck pickup and raise the bridge pickup to achieve equal volumes when switching the pickup selector from bridge to neck.




                  the only way the neck pup can get any lower is if i remove the foam spacer. bridge is up as high as i'm comfortable with. any higher and it could hit the strings, which would only complicate things.










                  The blend pot shouldn't kill the overall volume. It goes from full on bridge pickup (counterclockwise) to full on neck pickup (clockwise). It's not supposed to attenuate the volume. The pickup volume knobs do that.



                  Once your pickups are balanced regarding their output, you'll prolly love the blend pot. Well, maybe it's just me, but I love the 'effin thing.



                  Hope you get it sorted. It's a great color!!



                  that's not how it works at all. it only works on the neck pickup. does nothing for the bridge. so the question becomes what exactly is the problem if this is how the instrument came from the factory?
                  The Common Sense Mets Fan

                  There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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                  • #10






                    Quote Originally Posted by onerailunder
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                    It goes from full on bridge pickup (counterclockwise) to full on neck pickup (clockwise).




                    Which can be achieved with a traditional 2vol 2tone 3-way selection switch. I've never understood this concept of adding a knob that does that.
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                    • #11
                      I think you'd be happier by cutting out that knob all together and putting maybe a switch or a push/pull knob that could add some top or low end depending on your preference. Pulled it's on, pushed it's bypassed. Couldn't tell you how to do that. I don't know how useful a master volume would be since you have two volume knobs.
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                      • #12
                        I disagree, I really hate the way my Gibson kills the overall volume when I turn down just one of the pickup volume selectors. It suddenly gets both quiet and muddy. I much prefer to leave the volume and tone full up on both pickups and blend between the two. I think HoneyIsCool mentioned rewiring the pots to prevent the overall volume kill with one pot. Unfortunately my new guitar has a silly PCB board and I don't feel like removing it.



                        BTW xrleroyx. I've really dug your music when you've posted it previously.
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                        • #13






                          Quote Originally Posted by xrleroyx
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                          I think you'd be happier by cutting out that knob all together and putting maybe a switch or a push/pull knob that could add some top or low end depending on your preference. Pulled it's on, pushed it's bypassed. Couldn't tell you how to do that. I don't know how useful a master volume would be since you have two volume knobs.




                          it would be useful to me because i could blend the pickups how i wanted them and then control the instrument's overall volume with one knob. like a Gretsch where each pickup has it's own volume and then there's a master. the difference being that Gretsches have master tone knobs instead of individual tone knobs.
                          The Common Sense Mets Fan

                          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov, Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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                          • #14






                            Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock!
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                            the only way the neck pup can get any lower is if i remove the foam spacer. bridge is up as high as i'm comfortable with. any higher and it could hit the strings, which would only complicate things.









                            that's not how it works at all. it only works on the neck pickup. does nothing for the bridge. so the question becomes what exactly is the problem if this is how the instrument came from the factory?




                            This is a bit of a wild assed guess, but I'm thinking perhaps the leaves on your input jack aren't making or breaking contact correctly when the cord is plugged in. It may be as simple as reorienting the jack within its cavity so there is enough space for the contacts to move and open and close properly. Alternatively, the contacts on the Ric-O-Sound jack may be inappropriately opened or closed.



                            Had a similar problem with mine.



                            I'd also encourage you to ask on the Ric Resource Forum.
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                            • #15
                              I've had my 1969 Rick 335 for 23yrs & recently started playing with the small 5th knob.

                              With the PU selector in mid position the 5th knob acts as a balance -but it seems to favor the bridge.

                              But on the neck PU selector, the 5h knob will cut volume/tone as well.

                              With the PU selector on the bridge PU, the 5th knob does nothing.

                              Was wondering too -is this normal?



                              Was wondering also what is this neck PU? One half has a metal bar & the other screws???





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